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Volky
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I encourage you to read The Tyranny of Structureless: https://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htm If structure is not collaboratively and explicitly formalized, it nevertheless emerges, but in a opaque fashion and to the benefit of few and detriment of the community at large. I dare say most of the talented people we admired in the Nouns ecosystem are not here today, not because they were discouraged by excessive processes, but because the lack thereof caused conflict, bad decisions and abuse. I myself took a "sabbatical" from Nouns because of how frustrating is was to watch all the contradictions in governance, the same mistakes over and over again, the same people getting huge payouts from the DAO with little to show for it. All that talent who got paid waaaay above the market rate is not here today. We need contributors with values alignment whose main incentive is not the comp. The allergy to structure has done more harm than good. Decentralization doesn't have to mean disorganization.
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wiz
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i respectfully disagree. none of this has to do with structure but economics. people left for a couple of reasons: 1) nouns is inherently political. the high politics pushes a lot of people away. to pass a prop you need both the soft and hard skills to pass one. that is generally rare and leads to high competition 2) people come to crypto for money, if there is no opportunity to make money (or they lose a lot, they leave). many of the first fork participants left because nouns is generally a capital sink for large holders and it's very expensive to impose your ideas if most of the community is not aligned with you 3) tragedy of the commons (which is a problem for all public resources). people tend to do whats best for them at the expense of everyone else.
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Volky
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If structure has no impact and economics dominates, why do we believe in democracies? Structure changes the incentives landscape and steers society away from purely economical motivations. 1) The role of structure is exactly to protect the community from the whims of politics, making governance more predictable, instead of everything changing all the time 2) Not all come to crypto for money. Some of us are here for the principles of sovereignty and because we think we can do better than traditional institutions. I still belive we can 3) The tragedy of the commons is hyperstition which manifests under lack of structure. There are numerous examples of commons that were successfully managed across history. Democracy is the management of commons. What I believe is that commons can be well managed without a president/dictator/CEO There's a lot of literature that argues it's possible too. (Try Reinventing Organizations, by Frederic Laloux) Try and read about how Valve is managed It is possible to do better
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wiz
@wiz
economics is very much about human behavior. so yes democracies are all about economics. your brain is hardwired for this. everything is.
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Volky
@volky.eth
are you arguing that incentives are hardcoded and we can't change them?
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