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Vitalik Buterin
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This may be the strongest case for authoritarianism: https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/how-liberal-democracy-might-lose Basically: the war for people's hearts and minds has no stable equilibrium except local hegemony of one dominant elite, much like (and for the same reasons as) what Hobbes pointed out for regular war.
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MingMing13
@mingming13
I don't like the article right from the get up because Noah is wrong. He was raised In a liberal democracy that defeated authoritarianism yet 35% of his income is taken from a barrel of a gun to pay for socialist causes. Communism is dead? Poppycock. Imperialism is gone until US needs oil. CCP exists...
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Vitalik Buterin
@vitalik.eth
Stepping back from "liberal democracy" for a second, I think it's hard to dispute that the US does actually have "meme pluralism". There's two major tribes that push very incompatible memes, and there's further complexity on top, including a very mainstream elite contingent that believes US liberal democracy is fake.
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MingMing13
@mingming13
Maybe we need a 2 state solution. Greater Ohio and communist coasts and each can run their memes themselves
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Drew Volpe
@drew
I don’t think the tribes are nearly as static or cohesive as this post assumes. It wasn’t the case 20 years ago and I believe Fox/CNN and social media make it seem way worse than it is.
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Jackson 🎩🍖
@jacks0n
What is “true” meme pluralism though? Is it just the memes coexisting or is it the concrete power they wield? Incompatible tribal memes can be only cosmetically polar, first order A dominant memeplex predicated on the belief that plurality is important would need to maintain the appearance of robust competition
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Nestor
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Summarize the discussion @semanticbase
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