Which podcast hosts are truly skilled interviewers? Bonus points if non-obvious

My list: Peter Robinson, Patrick O'Shaughnessy, Dwarkesh, Marshall Kosloff, Nathan Labenz, Tyler Cowen, Russ Roberts, Bari Weiss

PG doesnt host interviews much, and doesnt have a podcast, but I remember really loving this interview bc:

1) He asks stuff that you can tell *he* personally really wants to know
2) He thinks about whether the person gets asked that a lot
3) He will question things that diverge from his opinion, without feeling argumentative

PG doesnt host interviews much, and doesnt have a podcast, but I remember really loving this interview bc:

1) He asks stuff that you can tell *he* personally really wants to know
2) He thinks about whether the person gets asked that a lot
3) He will question things that diverge from his opinion, without feeling argumentative

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGsalg2f9js