Vitalik Buterin
@vitalik.eth
I am noticing that the most successful new ideologies of the past decade are very object-level (prescriptions on specific issues) and quite little meta-level (social processes for making decisions on object-level issues). Examples: * Abstract libertarianism feels much weaker than 10 years ago. But issue-specific versions of it are quite successful: YIMBY (housing), the crypto space * e/acc (it's about all technology in theory, but ends up being about AI in practice) * The largest cluster in effective altruism morphed from being meta-level ("think harder to making sure your donations are going where they can do the most good!") to object level (AI safety, with a little bit of animal welfare and global public health) * Longevity movement Maybe network states and Glen and Audrey's Plurality movement are two exceptions - but in general the above feels like a strong pattern. Any ideas why this meta level -> object level shift seems to be taking place?
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Brenner
@brenner.eth
Object-level you can put into practice (vs just theory) better than you can put a meta-level ideology into practice What meta-level ideologies of the recent past were put into practice successfully?
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NCOOKIΞ
@ncookie.eth
You don't practice a meta-level ideology. It is what forms your object-level ideologies. This kinda goes into epistemology, but I believe it should be virtuous to have a moral grounding that leads to your more practical beliefs or preferences, rather than just picking from different options that could morally contradict each other.
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Karol
@superorganism
Exactly. By its very nature, meta-level ideology cannot be enacted directly, only by the concrete, object-level representations informed by it. One could say the problem is stated backwards.
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