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@degencummunist.eth

On a serious note, Hasanabi streams on Twitch, that is owned by Amazon and makes millions of dollars doing some pretty radical politics. So my cutesy prompt is probing at the question, can we be MORE radical in our politics, more radically decentralized, anti-fragile and profitable by cutting out payment provider middlemen using something as simple as @hypersub and building our community’s tools (in America atleast) on @base ? By my calculation of crypto’s decentralized and autonomous ethos, the answer should* be Base > Amazon That doesn’t invalidate or disregard better* tools and chains out there, but it does recognize the consumer ease and ‘adoptibility’ by normies just getting onboarded into the space. Hopefully I’m right and Base can at least be somewhat* or just more; BASED✊

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"Base > Amazon" In what way? Brian Armstrong is just another billionaire CEO who is vehemently anti-marxist. We're not really cutting out the middleman with Base, are we? We're just shifting the fees to coinbase instead of Visa/PayPal/whomever. Base has already taken $56 million in fees last year

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What does it matter who or what a founder is if the platform is mechanically constrained on how it can be abused? If Base is Stage 2+ then it shouldn't matter who the founder may be.

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Base is not stage 2+. It's not even stage 1. Currently coinbase is the sole sequencer.

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I am aware, it's basically Stage 1 with 1 caveat. But is that what your criticism is? You're cool with it as long as it's Stage 2+ and you don't actually care about Brian or Jesse?

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The original comment was "base is for revolution" and I'm asking how. I don't consider a chain run by VC-interests or by a corporation (CEOed by a man who is fervently capitalistic) to be "revolutionary".

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That's my question though, what importance are "the interests" of someone if their ability to influence it are mechanically constrained? I get the reluctance to pay fees to an org you disagree with, I think that's valid, but I don't see how the security attributes of a rollup put it in conflict with hosting a revolution. What failure mode are you concerned about?

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We're talking in circles. Their ability to influence it are not currently mechanically constrained. Or am I wrong? I don't know, I guess I am. Why aren't we doing breadchain on base instead of gnosis in this case? What "revolutionary" projects are hosted on Base?

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I'd certainly love to have a seamless way to get $bread on Base instead of jumping through a million hoops to get money on gnosis 🤷‍♀️

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i'm from breadchain, we hear you 🍞 we are working on making interop easier for now, multichain bread is a tough problem to tackle with our current resources

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I think @cryptokibbutznik.eth BreadKit could make a Base $BREAD possible and any other chain we want possible. I don’t want to just* use base for revolution or saying it’s that revolutionary, but maybe it could* be better than what Hasan and breatubers are doing on Twitch/YT

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