elon is one of the most unintelligent people i've ever met

surprised she shipped this as-is

but also her audience desperately wants to feel better about their own lack of success, so makes sense on some level

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there are a couple of fundamental leftist underlying ideas here at play too

1. that the pie is fixed. thus billionaires didn't create value, they took it from someone. then, at that point it's inherently a malicious act to be a billionaire as opposed to an ingenuity 

2. expertise is domain specific and non-transferable. i.e. how dysfunctional a government might be, it's still for the bureaucrats to play, not for someone who has shown ingenuity in another field

Generally agree (as someone who is somewhat leftist with caveats), but I'd push back on #1 as not being charitable/complete. I think we'd agree that not all value captured is value created, and not all externalities created are externalities paid for/accounted. I think we'd even agree that we would prefer for all externalities to be accounted/paid for, and for as much value to be created rather than simply extracted/captured. I think the proportion of those and how to improve them is the real underlying debate we should be having.

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don’t think @kia is endorsing those ideas or agreeing with them, but rather giving context for the views she’s expressing

Yea fair, I was trying to say is that I think AOC is coming from this perspective too. I don't think she would argue that there is no value creation, but she is more worried about the externalities from extraction/capture.

I'll admit I'm coming from a pro-AOC bias upfront, but to me I have sympathy for why she's tired of Elon and has run out of patience (after seeing years of the really dumb interactions on Twitter between them).

I think she's right in pointing out a threat model at the very end of that clip. I wish more people talked about specific failure modes rather than "rocket man bad" or whatever.

But yes, we live in a time where all discourse has to pick a narrative, anything with nuance (like this discussion is trying to have) is ultimately diluting the underlying point.

I think she presents very black/white framing in her content, so at least on the surface she’s basically saying what kia described (imo)