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Tell me why I'm wrong: Ethereum L1 or L2 gas fees make micropayments too expensive for everyday consumer apps. Less frequent payments? Sure. But 10x a day? No.
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Validiums/volitions make fees as cheap as you want to subsidize offchain (can be as cheap as warps), basically off-chain DA transactions that get settled on-chain occasionally. There's a few prod examples today (starkware mainly), I agree it's less accessible than say... "just use Base"
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Though main point is that it's not a fundamental tech limitation, more of an implementation issue. In 100 years, we won't care about this (we'll have zk/optimistic hybrids with volition transactions that we can choose on a per-transaction basis, whatever security is required for the app).
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Also, I'm not convinced we'll even need validiums for sub-cent transactions. Danksharding + state diff rollups can get us there too. I do like the idea of volitions because they're kinda more generalized Plasma constructions (can do a bunch of stuff off-chain, then aggregate to on-chain, with some guarantees).
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