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Does belief require a rational ground? Is faith a rational ground? https://x.com/garrytan/status/1755271682779156986?s=46
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One can have belief without rationality, but the less rationality there is, the more dangerous it is. What is faith if not belief? How is that not circular logic?
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Religious faith being “the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen”, is by definition irrational; it’s belief w/o proof Descartes argued that it’s rational to believe anyway, from a pure EV standpoint, but of course you can’t will yourself to have faith just because it’s advantageous
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Are you asking about religious faith or the act of having faith in general ? Religious faith may not require rational ground but if you think of the act of perseverance as an act of faith (because why would you persevere in something if no faith in it) then it could require rational ground to justify carrying on.
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if you know that what you have faith on is unknown (like if God exists) then it seems rational to be faithful no?
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Belief does not require a rational ground. Faith suggests not an establishment of truth but rather a suspicion against what is believed. A strong faith, rather than proving anything, actually casts doubt on its object, be it on rational or pragmatic grounds.
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No. Information hierarchy is often overlooked, even by the most modern scientists and industries. Even those that deal with cognition, brain/neurotech, and genomics. Faith is above knowledge and opinion, even if it's fake. https://hackernoon.com/greek-syntax-and-propositional-logic-in-philosophy-math-cs-and-beyond
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depends what you mean by 'rational' (divisible). if you mean something like 'with the faculty of reason or logic', then you always hit a point where you can no longer justify one proposition out of another.
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taking "rational ground" as a logical, evidence-based reason, then imo belief should require a rational ground but doesn't in practice. I can't deny that someone believes earth is flat just because I don't think logic supports that. Faith isn't a ground to believe something at all imo. It's the outcome of the grounds.
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