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why does reading / listening to a book almost never have regretted user minutes and social media does? for me its because its easy to stop reading. if i can't pay attention or its boring its natural to stop. there's nothing pulling me or dragging me back, its an active process. with social its more passive: you have the world's most potent memetic content surfaced and even autoplayed to keep you going well past when you might have stopped. the feeling of regretted life minutes is familiar to me, its the same feeling as losing more than you can afford gambling, having bad sex, or doing drugs.
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jtgi
@jtgi
[btw this is lowercase jtgi because––in the words of @cameron––its an alter ego that mostly represents stream of consciousness unfiltered raw ideas. hopefully later they grow into punctuated title case words]
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@jtgi
a lot of this is downstream of advertising business models, which makes me wonder: is there space for a client that doesn't optimize for retained user growth and dau? what would other metrics look like? - relationships made - knowledge acquired - regretted user minutes maybe if warpcast is successful enough at bootstrapping a network some of these experiments can play out.
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somewhere in this conversation comes up the idea of stated vs revealed: 'you say this, but your behavior says differently' sure – but maybe in some contexts "stated" is really "desired": > desired: "i want to socialize with friends online and have fun" > revealed: "i can't stop scrolling, people say im not present. i feel distracted and bored" ie, the *revealed phenomenon* is humans have difficulty self moderating when they encounter potent memetic content & network sizes greater than what we evolved from.
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rish
@rish
> desired: "I want to social with friends online and have fun and not pay anything for it" if the desire included willingness to pay $50/mo, FB wouldn't show ads
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@zinger
I think ads themselves are less of the issue and moreso the consequential business model that they create where these companies are incentivized to keep us in the apps as long as possible But I still think companies would have that incentive if we paid them since the new focus would become making us crave the app so that we continue to pay
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They’d still show you ads, they would just not be targeted towards your social graph from tracking you online They offer(ed) this in the EU last summer for €15-ish per month There’s almost not a subscription fee high enough it would ever co Pete with your value to FB as an advertising target
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