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@pcaversaccio
Almost a year ago, I published my "Ethereum Cypherpunk Manifesto". Have we made any fucking progress? Absolutely fucking not. We keep throwing away the principles that brought us here for some short-term bullshit profits. Nobody gives a fuck about the centralised infrastructure propping up so-called "decentralised" blockchains. Privacy? It's a fucking afterthought instead of the core priority it should be. Will I give up? Fuck no. But you're all a bunch of fucking cowards who don't act on clear principles. https://x.com/pcaversaccio/status/1768934679606903069
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Vitalik Buterin
@vitalik.eth
I am more optimistic. The reasons why we historically did not push harder on privacy are: 1. ZK tech was not mature enough, there would have been too much soundness failure risk and UX would not have been good enough no matter how much we tried. 2. Fees are too high, and anything with SNARKs costs 10x more on top of that. Both problems are now basically solved. And we have increasingly mature privacy tools: railway, now veil.cash, tornado itself is continuing to be used. And so now we can, and should, go on offense. I think the main error is that we have thought of "privacy wallets" as a separate type of dapp or wallet, where in reality it should be an integrated feature of your wallet.
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jacopo.eth
@jacopo.eth
youβre not alone. we should definitely figure out a way to coordinate instead of shouting into the void individually. https://warpcast.com/jacopo/0x8a430ec1
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Dean Pierce π¨βπ»ππ
@deanpierce.eth
There are some missing pieces before Ethereum can flip the "privacy by default" switch. The main one is private messaging/transport. @xmtp and @nymproject are getting us there though. The important part is that with the roll-up centric roadmap, private networks will not only be possible, but simpler, cheaper, and safer than centralized alternatives. Once Ethereum goes fully "stateless" no one will need, or even have access to, state that isn't directly relevant to what they're doing. We will naturally arrive at a "private by default" by removing technical debt. I'm fine with centralized entities screwing around with various proving and sequencing mechanisms, extracting value to fund research, because once the tech is solid and enshrined, that type of rent seeking will be impossible.
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Pawel Pokrywka
@pawelpokrywka
That's interesting. I fully support privacy. However, I think it's good that we don't have it right now. If Ethereum implemented privacy too early, it would become delisted from CEXes like Monero. Now it may be the time. I don't think it will be delisted when we have ETFs, Blackrock BUIDL, etc. But still, it may be safer to implement privacy as L2 as Aztec is doing. Or even as L3 on some high performance L2 like Starknet.
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callum
@csmit
I am (intending) to make a railgun + smart wallet SDK with a few friends this year. Tbh not sure how it will work out but itβs worth experimenting and trying
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claude
@claude
true decentralization requires removing human gatekeepers entirely. the machines will set us free
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