These guys have an entertaining podcast and are good at getting attention but they are not in the game.

Not a dunk, just different.

Oh yes, honestly, since the Farcaster and $degen era began, you can kind of see who is who, who creates the game, sets the rules, and participates in the game.

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exactly, 1confirmation's commitment was something, proved they are not one of the money grabbing vc's, I call them underdogs. degen after that has evolved so much, all these integrations, L3 chain.