Leeward Bound on Warpcast

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Farcaster isn’t a true protocol Just enough theater to get developers' trust

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@quillingqualia.eth

Say more? What's a true protocol and why farcaster isn't one?

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+ only one server by only one company, no node diversity + majority client has non-open features + regular proto changes, non stable + all major changes come from one central actor it's a protocol by definition, but as far as protocols go, it's not a good one. unwise to build in this ecosystem, especially when you see major builders getting their whole platform obviated by flippant breaking changes. nobody sane would try competing with Hubble or Warpcast (unless they have 8 figures to burn thru) and that is a significant problem for the whole "open protocol" argument. this is merkel land and merkel will make or break rules to sink any serious competition.

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1. There are plenty of Hubs. 2. Multiple clients that work fine with centralized requirement. 3. What *protocol* changes are frequent and non-stable? 4. Who else is proposing, building consensus and then writing the code for the changes?

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1) but only 1 Hub software and no incentive to run them, Google "what is client diversity" then get back to me 2) but one megafunded official majority client that doesn't fully share critical features like channel creation, DMs, closed source Shuttle 3) you introduced longcasts with less than 24h notice, you're turning channels upside down, and also any private non-proto features from #2 that you push should count against the "stable protocol" argument too, as all competing clients must match them and keep up to stand any chance of actually replacing warpcast as anyone's primary client 4) nobody is dumb enough to try to compete with you in your own billion dollar sandbox where you are judge and jury, why do you keep pretending this is viable? got any examples of you interacting in good faith with critics from your community? general vibe is widely agreed that you do not. these replies certainly do not count. #opensourcewarpcast (proud to boast that i started that slogan and repeated it until it spread)

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This feels like it’s getting unnecessarily personal (Google and then get back to me), so will try to keep it focused on the issues. 1. What current problem does Hub implementation diversity solve? 2. Shuttle is open source. We built it with feedback from folks like Neynar and Airstack. DCs and channel creation will be decentralized after we stop iterating on the core surface area. We don’t want to have many breaking changes for protocol primitives. 3. Long casts were a backward compatible change. If it was breaking we would have moved slower. We also reach out to the developers in the ecosystem that regularly attend the open dev calls, have clients with a large number of active signers and anyone who reaches out to us. 4…

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What I want is "a successful protocol". Not only protocol, I can provide you with a protocol specification in a couple of hours that no one will ever use. Not only successful, we have successful competition like Twitter, Instagram, Telegram, that does not work according to our standards (I think we have the same more or less). Rn, Farcaster is not a successful protocol. After many debates, sometimes heated, with the MM team during the last two years, I think Farcaster has good chances at becoming both successful and a protocol (the way you mean it), and it seems that the way these two move together is a good strategy.

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4. What’s an example of good faith criticism that we ignored? Onus is on you show examples. I have 50 people traveling to developer day next week as my evidence as people care / willing to engage. I spend a lot of time publicly and privately discussing feedback with people in the ecosystem and share our point of view.

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1. we run hubs for /uno and have actively worked to identify hub downtime or syncing issues. launching soon! 2. /kiosk exists. 3. long casts just expanded the size of casts not the read/write set. trivial update. if you really wanted a debate, debate snapchain. 4. sounds like regular game theory/market economics?

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noctis built a modified hub software which is open source

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