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There are so many things besides Tiktok owned by Chinese companies that aggregate American customer data. The recently launched Marvel Rivals game (made by NetEase) is one of them. Banning TikTok would be digging a hole in the water.
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TikTok has over 120 million users and growing in USA … what other Chinese app or game have over 100 million users in USA. Honest question, I’m curious. I’ve been to China for business several times, so I’m not a fan of them mining consumer data all over the world.
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TikTok collects less data than Meta.
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That’s not the point; US corporations do not report to the US government the same way that Chinese corporations have to report to the CCP. Just look what CCP did to Jack Ma when he was talking too much. And look how Tim Cook from Apple responded to the FBI when they wanted an iPhone unlock.
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Ok but your original point was them mining data. When we point out there are those that do a lot worse across the world with US origin, suddenly data mining isn't an issue?
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My point was and still is security concerns that starts w personal data. A US corp uses ur data to sell you products, what might the CCP use your data for?
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No, US corps use your data to also disclose it to US government, who is -based on data- more warmongering towards the world. Meta, Google have disclosed user data to US government in the past. Should Meta banned in all European, South American, African, Asian countries?
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Do you believe the US government and CCP are equal in their objectives? I chose American policies with all its flaws over CCP policies. If you disagree you can spent some time in China and let me know how that works out for u. I wish you a great Sunday!
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I did spend time in China but I prefer data to anecdotes. https://warpcast.com/chainleft/0x0ceab8ba
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😂😂 that data is out of date! But do keep it in mind for upcoming years 😎 China was dirt poor in the 50s, 60s, 70s. Over the past 40 years, it has grown wealthy by exporting cheap goods to the West, amassing significant wealth in the process. Do u think their objectives still same as in the 50s & 60s when they were dirt poor? Did u miss the Chinese Ballons flying and spying over US? Chinese don’t need military exercises when they hacking politicians phones via Salt Typhoon. Funny “data” about Iran with all its proxies, laughable. https://mashable.com/article/salt-typhoon-telcom-hack-explainer-us-china
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I don't know how to talk to you if you can't accept the data from multiple sources, including USG's own government site. You can run the another data comparison with military bases around the world and the result will be similar. Enjoy your bubble.
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I appreciate the discourse, I’m able to understand your points, analyze them and have my own takeaways. I hope you understand mine and both of our bubbles grow a bit. I’m not here to convince anyone just to share my thoughts and learn from others.
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I think @chainleft’s broad point is that it’s hard to make an evidence-based argument that the American Government is less guilty of mishandling centralized American private sector data than the Chinese Communist Party— in light of Edward Snowden and other noteworthy cases. This is further muddied by the by paid use of American tech—from Meta face recognition to Google database tech—in the CCP’s social control and surveillance apparatuses. While I have not personally spent time in China, my sense from the anecdotes of friends is that— especially on a local level— grift and corruption and arrangements that blur the line between embezzlement and “dealmaking” are much more above-board and normative in China. Americans at least try to hide that corruption behind invocations of altruism, meritocracy, creative appropriations and margin-padding that a “free market” gets blamed for. Your view @lawrenceroman is that free market aspiration that fails is more trustworthy than never aspiring.
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