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Ryan
@ryanfmason
The video is funny with how convoluted it is but do these guys think this is just a coincidence and you can just have Democrats exist as they are but without this stuff? Any acknowledgement that this is just the natural product of their policy and ideology? https://x.com/EricAbbenante/status/1905422938352091313
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keccers
@keccers.eth
Democrats need to own the messiness of their implementations but I think it’s wrong to say a tendency towards bureaucracy is inherent to the ideology of the party. Bad management is a universal constant. How much paperwork did GWB’s “no child left behind” create and what were the outcomes? Do you think our ever ballooning defense budget is being expanded with a regard for efficiency?
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Ryan
@ryanfmason
Yeah it’s not unique to Democrats but NCLB could easily have been done by Obama or Clinton and nobody would bat an eye. It comes from an inherently egalitarian ideology, R president doesn’t matter. Defense budget ballooning is the MIC revolving door. My overall point is while Republicans could and have easily caved to egalitarian ideas (ex: NCLB) when the party got more serious in 2024 about saying we’re going to make the government work, there was no ideological barrier saying well we can’t do that because X, Y, Z interest groups oppose. If Ezra Klein and Abundance guys actually got traction, they will 100% face pushback for those exact interest group reasons saying they are excluding opinions of X group. The way all those groups are included or safeguarded is bureaucracy, more reviews, more discussion, more committees etc. If they come up with a better way that actually lets people do things, I’m curious to hear what it is
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keccers
@keccers.eth
bureaucracy is a function of how systems evolve under pressure—not a feature of caring about fairness At a certain point a lot of these special interest groups need to be told btfo, and that’s fine. I would say this applies to deregulatory actions as well. While I wouldnt go to bat for delaying a rocket launch over a single bird To me there is no factory worth having that spews mercury in the air
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Ryan
@ryanfmason
Yeah on the rocket launch/factory example - the balance there I think most people generally agree to a kind of common sense balance, and that extends to civil rights stuff too. I think bureaucracy can come from a bunch of different origins so a lot of parts of US bureaucracy have come from several reasons. I think there are parts of it that are there for perceived fairness reasons, and if there is an attempt to change things, there will be pushback within Dem party on grounds that changing it will make it less fair
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