July
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Žižek’s Ideological Fantasy: It functions as a way to describe narratives and beliefs that we believe in in order traverse social, real and political contradictions and maladies - we kind of know it, but we stick to our narratives
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tldr (tim reilly)
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This seems similar to what Socrates in the first half of Plato’s Republic called “the true lie” or “the lie to oneself in one’s own soul” Socrates admonishes us to avoid this lie more than anything. It is contrasted with the “noble lie” — a lie which is necessary to produce a beautiful result
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July
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I feel like Zizek takes the more the lie to oneself in one’s own soul approach, looking at Hegel through the eyes of Lacanian Psychoanalysis and Marxist (in a more purely Marx way) thought. To me it seems he is more concerned with our collective unconscious tendency to follow Ideology, desires and fantasies
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tldr (tim reilly)
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Yea I don’t think Plato / Socrates were interested in trying to plot a very exact terrain of the “alogikon” part of the soul. (Probably bc what is irrational is going to be unspeakable in a strict sense?) But I do think a point of high-level overlap here is that it’s possible to semi-willingly lie to ourself
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