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new PG essay https://paulgraham.com/woke.html
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Dean Pierce π¨βπ»ππ
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It still blows me away that some conservative pundits managed to isolate the concept of basic social awareness and twist it into a derogatory slur π€¦ Obviously there are idiots on all sides of every great debate, but "wokeness" still seems objectively positive to me. There exists people with different lived experiences from yourself who also deserve basic human rights. It seems like an incredibly simple concept, but a shocking number of people don't get it (non-woke) or even explicitly reject it (anti-woke). I have such a hard time with this. Is it tribalism or what? What could possibly be driving this anti social behavior?
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did you read the article?
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Dean Pierce π¨βπ»ππ
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I tried at first, but lines like this kept tripping me up: "So what do we do now? Wokeness is already in retreat. Obviously we should help it along. What's the best way to do that? And more importantly, how do we avoid a third outbreak? After all, it seemed to be dead once, but came back worse than ever." I just re-read it fully again to see if he ever figures out how dumb these mid level takes are, but it doesn't seem like he does. Maybe I missed something. Was there some new or valuable observation in there that you caught?
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my takeaway was 1. performative moralism + outrage mobs by prigs are bad, and repeats in society starting in Victorian England (i think you could argue earlier) 2. actual non-fragile, uncomfortable truth is good and important for intellectual rigor and curiosity 3. the moral principles of woke (racism is bad, treat others with respect), like those from religion, are good and should be kept this essay describes exactly what i lived through in college and then SF-NYC FAANG & BLM protests. so i vibe w the message i think it's a reasonable centrist take and explanation
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shazow
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I found it very disappointing, revisionist at best. The narrative that Twitter was bought to save us from wokeness is ridiculous, Elon spent half a year trying to get out of that deal. Right-wing accounts getting free checkmarks while others lose their free checkmarks, then amplifying checkmarks... Clever playbook, totally neutral. I liked the touch on weaponized outrage, but it's silly to imply "woke" caused itβthe media (social and trad) has been fine tuning the outrage farming for decades. It's also silly to dismiss that woke has functional meaning outside the derogatory echo chamber. Or that expecting people being treated with respect is tantamount to censorship. Imagine we're hanging in a group and a bully picks up on my insecurity and makes up an annoying nickname that hurts me and makes me not want to show up in the future. The group demanding the bully stops using that term is a good outcome, even if it means the bully risks getting "cancelled" by the group by refusing.
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