honestly React Hooks and JSX are so fucking annoying. Just let me use god damn JavaScript for fucks sake. All this extra magic with useEffects, new syntax and producing incompatibilities with the regular JS event loop model is soooooo confusing. I now notice because I'm using nodejs a lot where everything is consistent

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have you tried jquery lol.. the alternatives to react are all worse

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actually I‘d have no problem with using jquery or vanilla JS at the moment just inserting stuff into the page. I‘m not using React for 99% of the rendering. Besides, preact is a sane alternative to react that fixes some of the issues described

@df https://github.com/attestate/kiwistand/blob/main/src/web/src/main.jsx#L129 from a principle perspective, this is jquery

🫣🤐 I would not recommend this codebase convention

the main problem with jquery is it scales very poorly with page code complexity which for most projects grows quite a bit over time

yeah understandably, but the results in the rendering and behavior are actually decent, so I think that‘s also telling about the state of these frameworks