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Too much day to day politics. I wish there were more philosophical conversations. Here's one for you: Would you prefer: A) human-controlled AGI which will inevitably produce even more hierarchy among humans but at least establishes some intrinsic human future B) decentralized AGI which will inevitably maximize for its own values (i.e. objective function), which simply cannot be fully aligned with core human values (these are the only two options under capitalist & growth-obsessed systems) https://ai-2027.com/
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no, that's a false dilemma and AI 2027 definitely understates how decentralized systems self-regulate, so it's far from any credible conjecture.
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It's not decentralization's fault. But decentralization simply cannot operate to its potential under capitalism.
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respectfully, I'm reminded of how intellectuals like Noam Chomsky played down atrocities like the Khmer Rouge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_genocide_denial) has there ever been a stable non-capitalist society? at some point even social system needs a competitive forum for ideas, and I see every example of left authoritarianism reverting to censorship to preserve itself against any dissenting plurality. we live in a multipolar world. curtailing one country's capitalist growth just incurs worse environmental outcomes globally. it's undeniable that a communist-ruled state is one of the biggest coal-burners, and worse still, the same state inflicted mortality on its own citizens despite contemporary market reform. the bottom line is that decentralization is maximally inclusive, and cannot operate under any unilateral ideology. so in this free world where different states choose different industrial and humanitarian policies, how would anti-capitalist AI adapt, or even progress?
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After voicing thousands of opinions and being proven right, Chomsky has a right to get one thing that everyone got wrong "wrong" with a limited info - especially one where he later changed his opinion when equipped with more info. You know my opinions on communism vs capitalism. This isn't about that. You're claiming that decentralization will do sth under capitalism that it hasn't done yet. I'm curious to hear your theory on AGI.
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it's fair that any intellectual can have hits and misses. my point is that these governments mishandle disaster, sometimes due to misdirected a priori policy without feedback (e.g. Lysenkoism). regardless of communism vs capitalism, I hope we can agree that any consolidation of AGI would be the most convenient oligopoly for risks like coup d'etat. with past empires, we've experienced flavors of "Pax" for healthy international trade, and in their collapse, we experience feudalism, which is misanthropic in its own way. the solution, in advance, is precisely fitting sandboxes to ecological niches. if this is commoditized down to smol local models on one's person, now the question becomes "which firewalled states enter death ground?". no state controls their black market. capitalism is supposed to be measured "per head". it's already spread globally. specialist models will accrue comparative advantage, and the international order that maintains free exchange between them race ahead.
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