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Thomas
@aviationdoctor.eth
Even if you’re wrong, take solace in knowing that you can never be as wrong as Francis Fukuyama
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Ivan P
@dayofniagra
I have not read Fukuyama but I am reading Capitalist Realism and I think Mark Fisher is making an argument that F is right in the sense that it's easier to imagine the end of the world than the end of liberal capitalism. That history has not stopped is just reactionary fighting against the stability of the system.
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Chainleft
@chainleft
Same could've been said about monarchy. Lasted arguably way longer than liberal capitalism. Is democracy a reactionary fighting against the stability of monarchy?
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Ivan P
@dayofniagra
Agree. I suppose this depends on whether the radicalization of politics over the past years is a movement in a new direction or just a temporary pendulum swing with the general libcap direction staying the same. I see as more of the latter but hope that the pendulum swings left hard after this. I suck at predictions
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Thomas
@aviationdoctor.eth
“Predictions are hard, especially about the future” (Niels Bohr). I think we all suck at it, even those who, like a broken clock, got lucky once and have been coasting on that singular success ever since (e.g., Michael Burry)
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Ivan P
@dayofniagra
I owe multiple bottles of expensive cognac to a friend who is way more cynical than me when it comes to historical predictions. Lately the prediction that keeps winning is the cynical one.
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Thomas
@aviationdoctor.eth
Fukuyama actually talks about that in his recent writings — that Western cynicism toward itself (driven by complacency) is an equally powerful eroding force. It’s certainly an easy position but we must resist it
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Chainleft
@chainleft
It's not cynicism. A lot in the established order weren't sustainable to begin with. Capitalists were quick to claim the victories of colonialism and then afterwards globalism, but both had an end date already when they were established. Benefits have subsided, so rule-based order (which was required for globalism) is being abandoned. Don't get me wrong, I fully support rule based order; I just don't think the Western alliance was ever in it for the sake of "same rules for everyone".
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Thomas
@aviationdoctor.eth
The former adherence to and promotion of so-called universal values certainly rings hollow and insincere in this new transactional era. Maybe they have indeed exhausted their usefulness to a certain type of kleptocratic leaders
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