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Dan Romero
@dwr.eth
Looking for feedback on this iteration for channels The single biggest remaining complaint is people feeling like the pre-existing, large, topic based channels like /food or /founders should be more accesible. It will also reduce work for channel mods who don't want to have to approve every single person who wants to cast in their channel, but are OK giving up some control of who (and they can always invite someone to be a member to guarantee it). Curious: 1. Would you turn this on or off for your channel? 2. Any concerns? https://warpcast.notion.site/Public-mode-11f6a6c0c10180869699c725fa9e02e3
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Cameron Armstrong
@cameron
i know its more complex, but since it sorta feels like a legacy hangover/i hate change kind of thing it maybe makes sense to not call them channels at all as you said they're basically big vestigial hashtag aggregators so maybe a lightweight way to handle it is by keeping the frontend looking like a channel, but fill in the info so it's clear that it is NOT a channel, is not actively moderated/community forming, and just make it default public algo mode it gives people the security blanket that it's still there, but also let's you basically wash your hands of it. you could even make it a @ponder poll or something to let people vote on what channels get morphed into this... square? exchange? idk a good name - zombie channel?
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Dan Romero
@dwr.eth
Assume there’s clear rules for each channel: membership, public, future versions. Does that clear it up?
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Cameron Armstrong
@cameron
i think it does if you (to the extent y'all ever do) indicate public channels are like a one way door? maybe this is controversial, but letting any channel be public mode sorta just gets us back the to previous iteration of sorta soulless mega channels (which is what i thought we are getting away from) maybe that's the point, but an easy-ish attack using public mode is to squat a bunch of channels, put it in public mode, let it grow, and anywhere community forms organically the owner/squatter takes it private and hold the community ransom/try to sell it off/etc making public mode permanent/quasi-permanent makes me a little less reticent to contribute to places where i'm unsure to who the value is accruing
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Dan Romero
@dwr.eth
1. Assume we clean up squatting and penalize inactive channel mods for most cases (ignore the handful of legacy auto follow channels) 2. Goal is to ease the transition while still giving more control to channels that care. 3. There’s a version where channels with MIA mods don’t get any distribution in the algo. So the value of the channel is proportional to how much effort.
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Cameron Armstrong
@cameron
Totally get that - I'm still forming my opinion on the new channel model myself (using /creators to experiment in growing a focused community - i already feel the pain of automod leaving us haha) and all this broadly makes sense to me and i'm 100% empathetic to the casual user/mod, but it sorta does feel like a "should we maybe burn the boats" moment? y'all are much closer to the data than me, so ultimately defer to your judgment but people didn't like channel moderation to begin with, got super confused at recent vs trending dual feeds, and will continue to claim about the channel algo's whether or not a mod is actively adjusting them 🤷♂️ ...although i am realizing this could be a roundabout way of getting what y'all initially wanted (your algo moderating most channels at least at first) - that makes sense to me too and could be the sweet spot!
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Dan Romero
@dwr.eth
What do you miss most about automod?
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Cameron Armstrong
@cameron
extremely flexible + specific moderation criteria based on the cast contents with a super simple interface (i know that's not "one most important" missed feature, but i'm figuring out what i need for moderation on the fly rn) you could things like: - block specific words or links - only let casts with (or without) embeds appear - add time based criteria to mod rules afaict it was the only mostly complete moderation solution, everything else is just seems like a tokengate with extra steps rn /creators is very commonly used by people trying to promote something, which very quickly spirals to a content hellscape and tokengate doesn't really help with that more than manually curating the whole channel - so working through identifying patterns rn across this type of post I could moderate around so we can relegate it to a certain day of the week and nurture more useful "for creators" type content to bloom
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Dan Romero
@dwr.eth
Have you tried @modbot? cc @haole
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