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Elie
@elie
I live in Israel. AMA about the war
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welter
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what do you think news outlets are getting wrong/right about the isreal-hamas war? what would you like people to know?
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Elie
@elie
Hmm. I donât follow the foreign news enough. Some mistakes Iâve seen: 1. Itâs not only Netanyahuâs war. Most of Israel supports it. The security cabinet included the opposition till recently. And even though itâs been disbanded recently thatâs not because the opposition feels we need to stop fighting Hamas. 2. Itâs nuts that the far left supports the extreme far right, extremist Muslim terrorists. Gays for Palestine is utterly insane when the only place a gay person can be fully free in the Middle East is Israel. 3. There are only 2 sides in this war. Most critics of Israel completely ignore the reality Israel is in and who weâre fighting. 4. Just ceasefire and stop the fighting. I wish that could happen. Stop all terrorism. Release the hostages. Letâs put an end to it. Israel gains nothing from war. But Hamas wonât stop. 5. Even when we reach a ceasefire it will be temporary. With Hamas in power the fighting will renew within a few years.
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Elie
@elie
6. âGenocideâ. Israel could wipe out Gaza overnight if it wanted. It does everything in its power to stop civilian deaths. What Hamas wants to do to Israel is genocide. What Israel is doing is self defence. 7. Lastly, anyone else in this position would probably do 10x worse. Imagine 1200 Americans being murdered and 240 being held captive. And then people seeing America as the bad guy for defending itself from these murderers. Itâs insane. Being the stronger side doesnât mean youâre in the wrong. Thereâs a double standard against Israel. Like israel is the worldâs biggest problem. When all we want is to live in peace and security without terrorism.
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Elie
@elie
Also on the genocide point. The number constantly quoted is 35000. With no mention of terrorist deaths. Around 15,000 of which are terrorists. Which is actually an extremely low ratio of civilian to combatant deaths. Especially as Hamas fight from civilian areas. Around 1.5:1 civilian to terrorist death rate. But this is almost entirely ignored. Especially by the genocide crowd. Thereâs also some major holes in the 35k number from Hamas. UN verified 25k. And even those verified names included a lot of false data. Now clearly a lot of Gazans have died. But the exact numbers being spouted are likely off by quite a bit.
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@acai
i'm not gonna pick on every single point you make here since it'd be probably counter-productive and nothing new would ever come out of all these talking points. just one thing that i'm genuinely eager to hear opinions from you about, what's your thought on the increasingly aggressive settler expansion into the westbank?
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Elie
@elie
It should stop. And most Israelis are against it. The police/army does a bit to curb it. But could do more. The other day they were throwing Molotov cocktails at police for taking down an unauthorised settlement. Also if weâre comparing extremism on each side. The major issue is that the extremists are in charge in Gaza. Whereas in Israel theyâre the minority. Happy to answer other questions. If youâre a seeker of truth you shouldnât be afraid of conversations. And itâs inaccurate that peopleâs views donât change because of conversations. Even if neither side changes their minds at the end of the conversation it can still be impactful long term. As well as for others reading.
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acai đâ¨đ˝đ
@acai
"The major issue is that the extremists are in charge in Gaza." What is your view on the argument that netanyahu's government has always wanted the existence of hamas that they could use to legitimize the takeover of gaza, since the israeli government over the years has helped prop up hamas through qatar?
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Elie
@elie
Misunderstanding of what happened. And borderline conspiracy theory depending on how itâs explained. Israel allowed funding into Gaza via Qatar. People complain when funding is not allowed in. And also when it is allowed in đ¤ˇââď¸ Ultimately the idea was that if the money is allowed in then Gazans wonât fight Israel. If Gaza is wealthy and successful it will have something to lose and stop fighting Israel. Same reason left wing Israelis provided Gazans with work. Clearly this plan didnât work out. It has been reported that Netanyahu told the right wing parties to let in the funding to keep Gaza and West Bank leadership independent of each other. But to suggest Bibi was funding Hamas to attack Israel so that Israel could go into Gaza is a wild. And just not what happened. Israel is in Gaza right now and doesnât want it. Israel moved out of Gaza in 2005. And very few Israelis want it back, including Bibi.
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