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bit.ly/4237ZBf if you're wondering why russia attacked Ukraine — it's this dictators don't start wars to win them they start wars to divert larger portion of wealth towards the most corrupt part of govmnt — military — so that their cronies can enrich themselves more
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Or, maybe, possibly, Ukraine joining NATO was a red line 🤷🏾‍♂️
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lmao the good ol' red line that keeps moving Sweden and Finland have just doubled the nato border with russia literally due to russian aggression
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I don't see why any reason to doubt the obvious. The geography of Russia and Ukraine makes its a especially hard red line not even to mention the history. Guessing your American or live there at least, would love your view point on the Cuban missile crisis
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Russia is a nuclear-triad state. They have no reason to fear a ground invasion from anywhere. Invading them is a death sentence.
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Crossing their red line has turned out to be a death sentence unfortunately for the +100k Ukrainians and their economy
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Irrelevant. The red line you’re talking about is the Zeihan/Mearsheimer red line - due the geography of the region Russia needs to control Ukraine for its security. I think that’s bogus, because of nuclear weapons.
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The redline I'm talking about is Russias public redline. Same question as to OP, genuinely want to know from an American perspective what your thoughts are on the Cuban missile crisis and its parallels to Ukraine
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I’m not American, but I support people’s right to self determination and association. If NATO was shipping nuclear missiles to Ukraine perhaps there’d be a parallel to the Cuban crisis. Instead Ukraine was seeking protection from Russia, and the only such protection is NATO.
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FTR I am most certainly not pro Russia, I'm anti-bullshit The parallels are clear me OFC its not exactly the same The conflict started with the Maidan coup. America flipping a Russian puppet on its borders just like Batista and Castro, who also wanted protection from America Also Ukrainian NATO == nukes in Ukraine
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Why do you think Ukraine-in-NATO means that nukes would be stationed there? There are no nukes in Finland, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, Romania etc Only 5 European countries have nukes stationed and none share a border with Russia https://www.cfr.org/in-brief/nuclear-weapons-europe-mapping-us-and-russian-deployments
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I'm not saying there would be on day one. I'm saying that the fact that Ukraine is in NATO, they could put them there. Also we are talking about the most strategic weapon, I would take the maps with a truck full of salt Regardles NATO is a NUCLEAR alliance created to oppose Russia. OFC America would not have it either
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Because what we even talking about here? Russia bad for destroying a neighbour? Yea sure I agree. But they are no worse than America. In fact if your criteria is self-determination or innocents killed then it's a hard fact America is orders of magnitude worse
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Your underlying point is that Russia was justified in its invasion. I disagree. If that’s not your point, then please correct me. America’s not perfect, but not worse than Russia.
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I am very much against. However the reality of the situation in its proper context ie the history of USA and Russia/USSR then the motivation is obvious and the blame extends beyond Russia. my point is the decision for war or peace has nothing to do with morality, it's all about interests.
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On the American front, by ANY metric they are orders of magnitude worse. Littedally responsible to 10s of millions of deaths, >50 coups in the modern era, and thats just the straight violence. Even more impactful is the effect of their parasitic control over the global economic system
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