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@notdevin.eth and his holy war on anti-depressants has never seen postpartum depression, ptsd, sad, etc what about pain medications for termally ill people? there are, for sure, drugs that shouldn't be needed, e.g. ozempic, blood pressure drugs, etc—this is managed by diet and exercise much better, yet requires systemic changes (i.e. making junk food less available) on the other hand, there's way more evidence that animal products cause harm than that seed oils cause harm (literally all the evidence says seed oils are safe)—yet people are afraid of seed oils while indulging on red meat daily the world is nuanced and there're no easy solutions

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Bullshit, top to bottom. I can look at you and tell you eat a vegan diet, your skin has an off color and inflammation, you also carry weight you shouldn’t. You think I’ve never felt what depression feels like? I have, the solution is in your sleep, food, and exercise. It’s a lie that you need these pharmaceutical but useful in keeping you a slave. Love you still though 😘

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nah man, the body is the body and it needs stuff when it can't produce waht it has. same reason you drink milk. me w/ no meds is a no go. i lived most of my life w/o. ugggh.

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@notdevin.eth have you ever met someone ocd? i used to count things neurotically as a kid, like even my hand touching a stair rail. uncontrollable. no amount of sleep, meditation, brocolli gonna make that go away.

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Yes, me. I’ve also met a depressed person, me. There are always edge cases and perhaps those require the treatments, but this being the average case? No, no, and no

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ok, so now we are moving the needle on your argument - sicknesses have a range, and where your depression is may not be same as another - edge cases is an adjective and so you admit some need - that means we are back to: some folks need meds, some can do w/o

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I’m not moving it. MOST should not be on it, most are on them. Where is the question? Tbh, idgaf if you all want to live on pharmaceuticals be my guest, I’m just pointing out it’s a lie and the agitation around it tells me I’ve walked into the bar with no drink and now you’re all uncomfortable. Good.

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Devin, no one says that *most* people must take drugs you're saying that *no one* should this is the issue https://warpcast.com/notdevin.eth/0xf0f477e8

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So you’re concerned that the one person in statistical set that actually needs this is going to be the one person who listens to me when they shouldn’t? And further, you’re so worried about that one person that you’re willing to ignore the multitude of others here who are taking these that shouldn’t? Sure, totally makes sense. Let’s focus on the one unlikely outlier and ignore the actual problem. Checks out

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you guys are not talking a//b the same thing some vs none and ya'll are just debating how much some is at some level, you agree

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I often agree with Boro, but unlike normal people he will debate intensely without getting knotted into emotional circles, which I respect and appreciate

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i try to never go emotional and only present facts with stats and research, my personal opinion in most cases does not matter e.g. weed: i love it, i smoke from time to time (like twice a year) and i know that there were 0 deaths from it as opposed to alcohol for instance, yet even with people with high tolerance to addiction weed *has* been shown to trigger the addiction in the brains (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK224396/) there *might* be time when pot becomes so potent that it starts being an issue until then, only edibles once in a while and only with controlled high quality supply doses

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u smoke it only twice a year? are you an edibles person? i got the impression you enjoed it more often

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i used to smoke daily in my 20-s, nowadays i only do edibles (because smoke is smoke and it's harmful) and only up to twice a year in very controlled doses i advocate for weed *over* alcohol anywhere i can because the less people drink (no matter how much weed they substitute) the healthier they will be on average

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Why can’t you take this same mental approach to pharma products?

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i take precisely 0 drugs, only supplement b12, creatine and d3 (even my omega 3-6-9 are fully managed and balanced by diet), i exercise consistently and my sleep score rarely drops below 90/100 (daily uninterrupted sleep of 8h+ per day with 2+ hours of deep sleep and <45m rem onset) like you, i can manage most of my issues by this what i'm saying is that there are hundreds of millions of people that can't manage without life-saving drugs *most* should not need to take drugs, i agree with you here what i'm saying is that there's *enough* people (100s of M) that *must* take some type of drugs and we shouldn't pursue them to suffer without medication yes, including people with clinical depression

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I think then we just disagree on the volume of affected people. I don’t buy 100s of millions, that sounds like a lack of willpower to me. If it’s 8%, then my comments are by and large landing at people who shouldn’t be taking these things.

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