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thoughtcrimeboss
@thoughtcrimeboss
Fuck yes shut that shit down! Oh wait, what do you mean the government doesn't actually shut all the way down during a government shutdown? Talk about getting your hopes up for nothing.
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Jeff Excell 🎩
@jeffexcell
This feels like nihilism
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thoughtcrimeboss
@thoughtcrimeboss
I would have to disagree. Nihilism rejects morality. Wanting to shut down an organization of evil people that uses their power to kill, imprison, enslave, export, and spy on the people they are supposed to protect is a very moral position. Moral principles should supercede arbitrary authority.
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Jeff Excell 🎩
@jeffexcell
Oh and they are also paying like…. Idk back country rangers and a lot of other very important jobs and people who have those jobs. So unless you have a long term plan this is a nihilistic move
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thoughtcrimeboss
@thoughtcrimeboss
Well yes, I agree you would need some kind of plan. For example it would probably be a bad idea to end welfare overnight when millions of people are dependent on it. The main point I was trying to make was that a government shutdown isn't a real shutdown. However, at the same time it's still a moral conundrum of sorts when you are harming people to help people. Those important jobs and welfare is still all funded through theft backed up by the threat of violence. Call me crazy, but I believe that if you want to have taxes it should be a voluntary process in which you a) get to decide if and how much to contribute and b) get to have some say in the allocation of said dollars. If you don't want to deal with decision making than you can delegate it to a representative. People will argue that you delegate now by voting for reps, but that only works if your candidate wins, otherwise the majority party is forcing the minority party to delegate tax spending decisions to their candidate.
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Jeff Excell 🎩
@jeffexcell
I think this is our fundamental disagreement. I don’t believe that humans would ever choose to be taxed if it meant their money went to help other people. I think the correct strain of the GOP is the poster child for this behavior. The problem with this is that bad luck exists, and we all fundamentally want to live in a. Society where public goods are funded.
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thoughtcrimeboss
@thoughtcrimeboss
As someone who has personally talked many people from both sides of the aisle into donating money to help homeless people and people in danger of becoming homeless, I can say people are much more willing to give than you would think. If you present it to people correctly, I believe they would contribute voluntarily. If humans were all so greedy that they don't want to help anyone in need, the entire nonprofit/charity sector would be in trouble! Getting these hypothetical voluntary taxpayers to trust that the money would actually go to do good and not to waste or evil would be the challenge, not the willingness to help.
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Jeff Excell 🎩
@jeffexcell
I like the optimism. But I would rather just tax rich people and companies properly.
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