Users treat exuberant fees as a defacto liveness failure. To those users Ethereum was down for all of 2021.  Ethereum fees were so bad that 99.5% reliability but guaranteed low cost was better, and thats how solana managed to get pmf.

Solana has a per-contract (account) fee market. Ethereum has a global fee market.

To make Ethereum fees go up, the entire chain has to be congested. To make Solana fees go up, only the contract you're using needs to be congested.

With this goal post, Solana is always experiencing defacto liveness failures.

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is this worse or better in your mind? 

where should their goalpost be?

Why do I need like two dollars worth of Solana just to do a fucking transaction so annoying.

I think it's cherrypicking a convenient narrative in either case. Plenty of cases of people having bad experiences on Solana only to be gaslit with "lol works for me" (because "for me" is a different account that is not contested). https://warpcast.com/helladj/0xd23a03eb

IMO a big concern is how expensive it is to effectively DoS urgent/important transactions like avoiding a liquidation. It's much more expensive to censor on Ethereum than on Solana for a specific contract at a specific short timeframe.

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Also in the that subthread looks like it's a state rent issue which is conveniently omitted.

Should we be saying "Users treat state rent as a defacto liveness failure"?

Agree, the tradeoff of picking a very narrow fee market is that it's cheaper to spike that narrower market (vs expensive to spike the global market).

I certainly believe we can do better (multdimensional gas, rollups, other techniques), but this ain't it for a robust censorship-resistant World Computer.

Also another observation: Per-contract fee markets trend to similar per-contract design as rollups, you have to load balance contracts (hot spots) which results in similar interop challenges/techniques that based rollups experience.

IMO if we "solve" rollups, we're solving a superset of problems/solutions here.

I like the per-contract fee market, but tbh this is a deal breaker if the fee rate rises faster in a per-contract fee market than it does in a global one

You should design for the worst case scenario