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notdevin
@notdevin.eth
Seriously though, what’s the bot plan, this is dumb
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Dan Romero
@dwr.eth
Turn on priority mode?
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notdevin
@notdevin.eth
I can do that, but is hiding under a digital blanket really my only option? These bots are obvious and are constantly revealing themselves, along with the way their behaviors execute. Cast events + telemetry I would expect to tell on them, add in some ability to dynamically engage with them and you should be able to uncover at least the low - mid effort bots
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Dan Romero
@dwr.eth
You then get tons of people complaining about shadowbanning. How many replies on average are you missing with priority mode on?
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notdevin
@notdevin.eth
I don’t know. I stopped looking at responses most of the time a month or two back, I just noticed it was getting pretty boring so I turned priority off and then it’s just all bots The way to stop them is not going to be a single mechanic, those will lead to the shadow ban complaint broadly. The techniques need to be based on the line the bots walk to look like an organic audience. I guarantee the devs responsible for the bots have left a number of signatures that are revealed in behaviors. Build a sentinel bot that engages with the suspected bot. If 10 replies are suspicious and sentinel responds to 10 and the response match in a significant way, then you can start quarantining. I would personally route them to a cloned but purgatory like environment where they get to continue interacting but now with zero impact. Then you’d be costing the bot devs money while returning no value. You guys just need to put on your pirate hats and attack this shit. If we can’t beat bots then we really are all lost
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Dan Romero
@dwr.eth
It's a cat and mouse game. Priority mode solves the problem for now. Some iteration required to boost smaller accounts. Existential problem for Farcaster is supply of quality content.
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notdevin
@notdevin.eth
You don’t see how the existential threat of lack of quality is directly attenuated by bots as well as priority mode?
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Dan Romero
@dwr.eth
1. Most people are fine with priority mode 2. People will still use the app despite spam if supply of quality content is high; the reverse is not the case (no spam but low supply of quality content) 3. Both problems need to be solved, matter of sequencing and prioritization
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notdevin
@notdevin.eth
I hear that, I won’t pretend to know your sequencing as you’re the expert there. I’m speaking from my perspective and I’m guessing I represent some amount of others but probably not a majority. I’m already over it, so I’m saying this as someone who potentially provides quality content. I’m losing interest quickly. I already only tolerate social as a commodity, I don’t enjoy being online 24/7. Mix in fake responses and I’m super over it. Normally I’d just leave but I very much like the real humans here. I’ll turn back on priority mode, I’ll probably stop using it as a habit shortly, and in 3 months I’ll have realized I haven’t opened this app in weeks. I’m not planning this, I just know what happens when my attention shifts and it’s shifting because the bots are lame af and I don’t like participating in a party where the solution to a problem is to lay on our back and pee on ourselves hoping that makes everything better
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Dan Romero
@dwr.eth
Thanks for the feedback. What I’m not quite understanding is how turning on priority mode makes you less likely to use the app if you have a decent sized audience and you follow people you like?
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