Henri Stern Ꙫ on Warpcast

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I have a question because “ethereum account abstraction” seems to be a hot topic. My question is - if the fundamental feature of decentralisation is end user control as principal with no agent or intermediary, and the user id is a 2^256 integer that the user must control - what is there to abstract??? An int???

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An ethereum account is an abstraction itself. So it’s turtles all the way down to the fundamental key pair, and the requirement for a user keeping the skey themselves or give up their agency because they can’t be responsible for it. It seems like a trade off, so is the ETH community saying it’s trade off time???

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the coolest thing i've seen here yet is the proposal to use passkeys as signers on AA contracts. you can limit the privileges of the passkeys, or require multiple sign certain types of txs. passkeys are generated on device on anything with a modern browser. apple advanced protection & recovery contacts solve recovery..

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for the vast majority, who cannot be expected to bury metal wallets etc. the icloud keychain backup of the passkeys will be e2e. the biggest problems are apple binaries could rug the entire thing with a single update, and also secp256r1 may have been compromised by the nsa

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Thanks. So in essence these are user tools, maybe supported by some ERC standards, but they are not leading to node protocol level changes?

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right now the bleeding edge UX is passkey on device is a signer on a MPC that controls an EOA that is a signer on an AA. maybe eventually the MPC and EOA get cut out of the picture and the 7212 sepc256r1 precompile lets folks sign with passkeys directly if AA gets enshrined in evm then boundary btwn erc/node blurs

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returning to your original question, idk what the second A in AA is intended to mean, but in practice 4337 separates (1) the account (0x..) from (2) the authentication scheme(s) and signer(s) that control it and (3) the account that pays the gas.

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So in the future you could imagine counterfactually deploying a AA smart wallet that has a Magic link (or passkey, or any future auth tech) as a signer, and gas is paid for by gelato or another subsidy provider

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That acronym list made read around! Time well spent, tho. Lots to ponder.

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you may enjoy the second half of the latest ep of web3galaxybrain.com with @henri from privy.io which covers some of this material

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I'll continue the plug with this admittedly high level overview -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZFgWunVeBI honestly been a thrill to see how poorly this is aging (re timeline predictions) -- this is moving so much faster than i thought and I LOVE it

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I don’t mind this plug because it makes an interesting point. Is the ethereum foundation like Microsoft sucking up the ecosystem into a controlled stack, or is VB like Linus Torvalds who provides us with an amazing kernel and let’s the ecosystem sort itself out??? VB seems to channel Gates not Torvalds? Thoughts?

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