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Dan Romero
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Best explanation? Or fake news?
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gFam.live (UrbanGladiator)
@gfam
Is there an explanation in the text here? I don't think South Korea's falling birth rates are a big mystery though... everyone, but especially younger Koreans are expected to work super long hours at their jobs, and housing is both expensive and pretty cramped (relative to Western houses, etc). It's essentially too hard and too expensive to raise kids right now.
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sebayaki.eth
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Hum.. I don’t think its related to the working conditions anymore. People nowadays work less than half as much as they did 20-30 years ago, when everyone was putting in around 100 hours a week. Now, I hardly see anyone (except startup founders 😂) working more than 40 hours a week. Interestingly, though, birth rates have also decreased by half 🤔
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gFam.live (UrbanGladiator)
@gfam
Oh weird... this Wiki page says that South Korea much higher working averages compared to other countries... but since your there I'm not sure now... maybe it's regional? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_hours_in_South_Korea
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sebayaki.eth
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It says, “Statistics show that in 2019, workers aged 30 to 39 years old worked an average of 158.9 hours per month in South Korea.” 158.9 hours per month = 36.7 hours per week - I guess that’s not much? Also, those statistics are a bit outdated, and working culture is changing rapidly in Korea. I feel that conditions have improved significantly, even compared to 2019.
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gFam.live (UrbanGladiator)
@gfam
Yeah, it's confusing because it also says that Koreans work long hours and work more than people in Japan, USA, UK, Germany, etc. I did wonder if overtime maybe wasn't included in the statistics... or if people are working a lot more than they're putting in their timesheets (this happens a lot in the US). Maybe it's other factors contributing to low dating rates... housing costs, gender ideology, etc? These sorts of issues tend not to have a simple answer.
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sebayaki.eth
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Yeah, I agree there’s no simple answer. “Working a lot more than they’re putting in their timesheets” used to happen a lot, maybe until 10–20 years ago. I felt like more than 80% of people did overtime without payment or recording it in their timesheets back then. Nowadays, I rarely see anyone doing overtime, and if they do, they definitely get paid - it even becomes a newsworthy story in Korea if they’re not.
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gFam.live (UrbanGladiator)
@gfam
That's awesome! I'm glad some balance to people's lives is being restored.
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