Farcaster

To be clear, I'm asking the same question, not stating that it is the case.

If I were to digest what I'm seeing:
1. Paying for storage is too much friction to onboard new users but not enough to slow down spam
2. Hubs aren't going to scale 2 - 3 orders of magnitude without a significant change in architecture.
3. The incentives to run a HUB are misaligned and causing congestion instead of capacity

On Hubs

1. We've said from the beginning, people will run Hubs without direct economic incentives. This has proven correct. 10K+ Hubs on the network.

2. This number is artificially high as there are likely many Hub operators hoping for a future economic reward. There will not be a reward.

3. Rewards don't make sense as there's no good way to prove that a Hub was honest and performant for a long period of time. Any deterministic system tied to an economic reward would create an incentive for fraud to fake running a Hub to get paid.

3. This is why Bitcoin and Ethereum do not pay node operators. Economic rewards are independent from running a node. Coinbase ran BTC / ETH nodes for years (pre-staking).

4. Our original goal was get to ~100 independent, good Hubs. Given network size, activity, number of companies building on Farcaster, seems like that number is achievable between 1) companies with an economic interest in access to the network and 2) altruistic individuals for hobbyist or ideological reasons.

1. Paying for storage is too much friction to onboard new users but not enough to slow down spam

> We experimented with free sign ups in a number of countries and rentention was significantly lower than users who paid the $5 to sign up. 

2. Hubs aren't going to scale 2 - 3 orders of magnitude without a significant change in architecture.

> We've said from the beginning we think Hubs scale without sharding to ~10M daily active users, give or take. Scaling is hard, but the existential problem is getting the actual retained users. :)

3. The incentives to run a HUB are misaligned and causing congestion instead of capacity

> There are no incentives? Adding incentives would increase the number of Hubs. The team is exploring how to reduce congestion. Possibly increasing economic cost of running a Hub (since access to the network is valuable). Nothing definitive yet.

See also my cast below On Hubs:

1. Paying for storage is too much friction to onboard new users but not enough to slow down spam

> We experimented with free sign ups in a number of countries and rentention was significantly lower than users who paid the $5 to sign up. 

2. Hubs aren't going to scale 2 - 3 orders of magnitude without a significant change in architecture.

> We've said from the beginning we think Hubs scale without sharding to ~10M daily active users, give or take. Scaling is hard, but the existential problem is getting the actual retained users. :)

3. The incentives to run a HUB are misaligned and causing congestion instead of capacity

> There are no incentives? Adding incentives would increase the number of Hubs. The team is exploring how to reduce congestion. Possibly increasing economic cost of running a Hub (since access to the network is valuable). Nothing definitive yet.

See also my cast below On Hubs:
https://warpcast.com/dwr.eth/0x2d7823b4

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Why not adhere in a deeper way to the eth infra, proof of stake seems to work with alignment of eth validators in the network, maybe even some kind of optimistic rollup?
But going onchain could solve some spam issues, with a harder to retain user base but, some users already buy storage directly with crypto using @caststorage for example

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Just have an Ipad and an old laptop Dan they barely have enough storage and gpu to run their operating system, just an artist who loves the blockchain but there seems to be all sorts of diff infras that to me sound like they could at least help with some spam issues, repeated cast styles could get easily flagged if onchain

Like if you already have a list of spammy accounts with connected address it's also quite easy to track related addresses so it's easier to flag new associated spam accounts right?