Elie on Warpcast

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I guess a cop is always a cop.

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Cop for calling Hamas a terrorist organisation and being against burning the American flag? When do I buy some cop coin to join her.

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She's already a cop regardless, but... Burning American flag = free speech protected by US constitution. Netanyahu protestors != Hamas supporters Using false flags or 0.1% of protestors to protect the convicted war criminal = DING DING DING typical cop behavior. You can join her, not surprised to see another supposedly crypto person loving cops when it fits their purpose

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I have nothing against cops. They protect us from criminals. But also you’re the one that brought up cops to begin with so what purpose are you even talking about 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ Her commenting on flag burning = free speech. But thank you for the random comment. She’s referring to Hamas supporters. Like the ones that graffitied Hamas and burnt the flag. Protect the convicted war criminal? Convicted by you and your Hamas friends? Ok… And she’s not protecting Netanyahu. And she even skipped his appearance in congress. But thank you for making your support for terror clear once again. At least you’re consistent. We’ll consistently believe in the right of self defence and continue to do so. We don’t need your permission to do so. If you’re against the 0.1% of protestors then how about just agreeing with Kamal instead of attacking her 🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️ I guess you’re in the 0.1%.

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Convicted by the highest court in the world lmao. Keep being high on your supply of genocide support. Genocide supporters are hated by everyone in the world. All of this is recorded in history.

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Spreading misinformation isn't the way to go chief. While I agree with the claim the he is a war criminal. The ICC hasn't convicted anyone yet, the ICC hasn't even issued the warrants for his arrest yet. What the ICC did was create an application for the issuance of the arrest warrants, from their to an actual conviction there's a long way to go.

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Chainleft is so fueled by hatred he invents facts. Waste of time trying to speak sense to him. But thank you for trying. Even though i disagree that Israel is a war criminal for defending itself against Islamic extremism. The war isn’t Bibi specific btw. Most Israelis support it and the war has been led by a unity government.

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It's complex, while I agree Israel should defend themselves, can't overlook the fact sieging a civilian population is still a war crime. That's what the ICC claims on Netanyahu and his defense minister are about. There's also 3 other ICC applications for arrest warrants on war crimes and crimes against humanity for 3 Hamas leaders. Part of what Israel is doing is justified and part isn't, war isn't black and white.

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Claims are different from convictions. As you said. Hamas is embedded in this civilian population. A civilian population that around 75% of whom support the Hamas leadership. Israel has done more than any other army in history to get civilians out of harms way. (And if you disagree, please show me a case where an army has done more). Israel has made tens of thousands of calls to civilians to warn them of buildings they’re bombing. They’ve asked to move out of harms multiple times. Yes, that’s annoying but it’s better than being dead. Israel haters will complain no matter what. Hamas uses civilian infrastructure and hospitals to fight and hold hostages. Fighting in those areas is not a war crime if Hamas uses them for terror. Which they do.

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But largely the fallacy is to paint everything as one shade of gray. Certain people paint the world black and white. You realise that’s a mistake. But you make a bigger mistake and paint everything as one shade of gray. Losing all moral compass because Nazis are just as bad as America and England fighting them. In this case you paint a false moral equivalence between Hamas and Israel. Israel bad. Hamas bad. And you feel balanced because you’ve criticised everyone. If you agree that Hamas is evil. And that Israel has a right or even a duty to defend itself, then it astonishes me you see both sides as criminal. The civilian combatant ratio in this war is extremely low. Going off Hamas numbers which are likely inflated. 24k civilians and 15k terrorists have died. Less than 2:1 ratio. Extremely low given Hamas plants itself in civilian areas.

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But I understand the viewpoint from people extremely disconnected from the war. You view it from the lens of whatever media you consume. You’re extremely disconnected from the reality of the situation. Or what it’s like for even one rocket to be fired at you. Let alone 240 kidnapped and 1200 murdered. We didn’t choose this war. You’re also extremely disconnected from what the IDF actually is. Not that I blame you. But if you served you’d understand it cares about civilian lives. But I understand that’s hard to believe from afar. It’s just he said she said.

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Yes I am disconnected from the war. But that doesn't stop me from pointing out the war crimes committed by both sides. And my moral compass isn't the one needing to be checked if you think you can justify the atrocities committed by Israel's side with the ones committed by Palestine's side. If I go back in time, I'll find cases just has bad committed by Israel, has October 7th was. Do you think in the minds Hamas or Palestinians they don't use the same arguments you're using with their own spin on it? 75% of the population supports Hamas? Well since the IDF has a forced conscription that gives them ~100% support doesn't it? The IDF warns civilians about airstrikes, so they can starve them to death with the siege, you're right never seen such compassionate army.

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Yes. The idf has large support in Israel. Thank you for pointing out an obvious fact that you thought one was supposed to disagree with

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Not supposed to disagree with. You 100% support your last line of defense. And Palestinians kinda have no choice but to support their ONLY line of defense.

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Wait so Hamas murdered 1200 Israelis as a line of defence?

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Did Israel murder 1000 Palestines and leveled 46000 houses in Gaza in 2008-2009 has a defense too?

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You haven’t answered my question. Stop dodging. And yes, every war with Hamas has been a defensive war. Israel doesn’t start wars with Hamas. Israel moved out of Gaza in 2005. I know you were only 7 then but you can google the history

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So if there were documents between the US and Israel that confirm Israel's plan to keep Gaza on the brink of collapse since 2007 this narrative of yours would fall through right? And say the documents are available and archived in the biggest database of leaks on the planet. https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/07JERUSALEM970_a.html https://wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/08TELAVIV2447_a.html

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Could you screenshot or paste the specific text you’re referring to. And I have no idea how my argument collapses because of documents from 2007. October 7th happened and you believe Israel doesn’t have a right to defend itself because of a 2007 document? Not sure if you’re trolling or there’s a real argument you’re trying to make

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The second pdf is more clear. Wasn’t sure what I was supposed to see in the first one. But in short, yes Hamas is a hostile entity that wants to wipe out Israel as they’ve proven time and time again. Not sure how you find that surprising.

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