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Javascript still needs its Rails/Django equivalent. Next.js has empowered a bunch of frontend devs to build fullstack applications, but there’s a ton of footguns and the flexibility still has people floundering in problems long-solved by other frameworks.

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RedwoodJS has gotten the closest to this. Have you tried it?

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I have tried redwood extensively, I liked a lot of its usability features, it still doesn't hold a candle to the dev experience (and operational/management experience) of Django+graphene backend.

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We've got all these beautiful languages on the backend, I don't understand why anyone would go with a JS framework 🤢

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What's sad is that TS has *great* DX, I prefer writing TS to even Python because the typing system is so 🔥 - but the whole ecosystem sucks as soon as you need to import a system library, install any dependency, connect to a DB, etc etc etc

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Perhaps it's been a minute since you worked with some of the modern tooling in TS? Things like Prisma/Drizzle, Zod, many more work great.

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Strong disagree buddy, I am very modern with my TS, but are you modern with your Django/Rails?

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No, I'm not. Is it worth trading end-to-end type safety I get with using Drizzle, tRPC, Next.js for what sounds like great migration tooling and an admin dashboard?

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If you use typesafe API like gql or rpc, the frontend experience (I still use nextjs + Apollo for frontend) is still strongly typed. I do wish the python had better typing, but it's *far* less important on the backend, which has strong python unit tests. Is it a tradeoff? Yes. Is it worth it? I think it definitely is.

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Also, beyond the admin and migrations, I'd cite the interactive shell and integrated unit test solutions among the "must haves" that JS doesn't even scratch the surface of

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Honestly, it’s worth considering… as always, depends on product/team/environment/etc etc.

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