Barnabé Monnot on Warpcast

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Two questions that's been on my mind, would love people's thoughts here. 1. Does the moneiness of a derivative of ETH (eg LST) translates into the moneiness of ETH? 2. Does the moneiness of ETH translates into the moneiness of a derivative of ETH (eg LST)?

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Please expand ser. What is one example of the moneiness (moneyness?) of a derivative influencing the moneyness of ETH? What do you define as moneyness?

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would argue that an LST with sufficient liquidity and integrations (stETH) eliminates the opportunity cost of staking (locking) your ETH, thus increasing ETHs underlying utility (especially as a collateral money), which proliferates the use of ETH as money -- moneyness 🆙

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If we wanted to eliminate the opportunity cost of staking and have more ETH around to use as collateral, why wouldn't we prefer to target some amount at stake?

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i guess i agree that some target amount at stake is ok, just dont really know how you come up with that desired % ? Dont think there is anything inherently wrong with targeting, but deciding too quickly or targeting too low of a % seemingly will have negative externalities

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To be clear the decision right now (and even then, not right now, in the months to come) is not about targeting, but about a more moderate issuance curve https://ethereum-magicians.org/t/electra-issuance-curve-adjustment-proposal/18825?u=barnabe

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yea i think my main concerns are: -vertically integrated centralized providers could push the long-tail of stakers and protocols out: prob of CB having >50% of stake increases imo -frequent adjustment of the issuance curve arguably degrades ETHs moneyness -issuance doesnt necessarily have to be dilutive for holders

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- Well incidentally I was replying to CB > 50% stake in a different forum, but here are some thoughts on this narrative: https://ethereum-magicians.org/t/electra-issuance-curve-adjustment-proposal/18825/11?u=barnabe

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- Agreed on changing the curve too frequently, the spirit of these proposals is indeed to take us to a point where the curve can weather any condition and it never needs to be tweaked ever again. Feels bad to mess around but it's a cost that may be worth it now, definitely increases with time though

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- And not sure how issuance can be not dilutive to holders, but maybe missing something

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