Gabriel 🎩 on Warpcast

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Israel is the terror state and so cowardly they use Lavender AI’s “Where’s Daddy” program to execute their targets… Democracy Now https://youtu.be/4RmNJH4UN3s?si=mw2GGLtty2r6STxG Breaking Points https://youtu.be/gqoiMyCxVfc?si=bWlv6rggZw4nEN-U But please tell me more about how they’re just khamas’ hUmAn ShIeLdS Please justify these atrocities by telling me, a bunch of lawyers agreed they’re not warcrimes (even though the Prime Minister is now an indicted war criminal… whoops) so they’re just not…? But please counter that with, “oh well, they’re just antisemitic!” Did you know they’re are MORE anti Zionist Jews THAN there are Zionist??? Did you ALSO know that Christian Evangelical Zionists outnumber ALL Jews +10:1 and are the real fundamental support for Israel? (A European settler colonial apartheid state dumping ground for white supremacists to send Jews) Did you also know that these Christian dgaf about Jews and just want to orchestrate an apocryphal battle at Armeggedo?

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You're a self-described Communist. There's no room for conversations with communists. You're too far gone.

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Isn't this just a convenient way to avoid having to have your ideas challenged? And for ideas to be good shouldn't they be able to stand up to criticism?

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I'll have a conversation with someone willing to engage in civil discourse. That means listening and responding to what was already said, a cohesive, productive dialogue. However if you claim to support Hamas, Al Qaeda, Communism. I'm going to conclude that you are an extremist. And the above cannot be had with extremists.

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You're saying you're open to dialogue but it reads as if you're trying to find reasons to stop dialogue rather than find points of connection. For example, I too thought Hamas was all bad. Then I considered how living in a militarily enclosed fragment of your country for generations would begin to impact a group of people. Then I realised that resistance movements are the logical next steps. If you take away the military occupation of Palestine, you take away the need for resistance fighters, thus rid of Hamas. We instead have a Palestine run by sovereign Palestinians. So you get what you want - no more Hamas - but you get it by not recoiling at their mention, but rather by leaning in and listening to what's being said UNDERNEATH the outrage. But it takes courage to have open dialogue with people you disagree with. Because if you listen to their points, then you might find out you're wrong. And that sucks.

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You seem open to engaging in civil discourse, so let's continue. You're argument as I understand it is to say that "Hamas is not all bad" and also that "Hamas is a symptom of oppression". Let's start with your second point. My position Hamas is exactly the same as all Jihadist groups such as BokoHaram, Al Qaeda, Muslim Brotherhood, ISIS and the Taliban. Hamas llike those other groups actually is the the oppression. Hamas and these other groups oppress free speech, free thinking, religious minorities, ethnic minorities, women and gays.

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I'm glad to hear we share opinions on the importance of living in a world that's safe for people to live safely regardless of sex, gender, race etc! Oppression in all forms needs to be addressed. But isn't it telling that all around the world minority populations are actually coming out in support of Palestine, fully knowing it is led by Hamas? And couldn't that have something to do with the fact that it is exactly these groups that you're talking about protecting, the women and children, who are the ones who are being killed?

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Nope, that's what I would call delusion founded on a bed of lies and ignorance. Hamas stated themselves that they don't want to coexist. Read their own charter and take them at their word. Also, tell me what happened on October 7th with the raping, torture, murder and kidnapping? Something Hamas has threatened to repeat. "By any means necessary."? That's the moral high ground?

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Ok but if the entire other side of your argument is deluded by lies and ignorance we're back to square one - you don't need to engage with their ideals because they're crazy OR it's just as possible that people on your side of the argument are also able to be deluded by lies and ignorance? Secondly, would you want to "coexist" with the same entity that has been imprisoning and massacring your for decades? Thirdly anything outside of the attack has been largely disproven (tortures, beheadings etc). The attack happened, I don't deny that. Can you tell me about anything that happened before October 7th?

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Hamas and their Western supporters espouse "By any means necessary.". Do you believe that slogan and action to be morally acceptabl?

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Why don’t you tell us? Oh wait you won’t bc you’re too red scared. And before you say BUT IT’S TO RELEASE THE HOSTAGES! I’ll counter with, IT’S FOR THEIR LIBERATION FROM APARTHEID AND FREEDOM FROM GENOCIDE!

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We're leaving the territory of civil discourse here as you're falling back on your (I assume) oft used "counterpunches" without actually engaging with what I'm saying. In order for discourse to be civil, it actually has to be discourse. I will, however engage with your question. When you say that Hamas and their supporters are saying "by any means necessary" what is it that they're referring to? I can't make a moral judgement unless I know what they're talking about.

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