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Vitalik Buterin
@vitalik.eth
Is there a name for the type of government where the government pursues consumer protection, antitrust, etc policy by directly running one competitor in every important industry, instead of making rules for every participant?
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@dcposch.eth
in healthcare they call it the public option
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@vgr
Why would you expect this to work? State-run enterprises are not exactly great vehicles for creating competitive pressure
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Minh Do
@minh
Is the idea here that the government forces the private industry to compete with more integrity?
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@phil
Related: this excellent piece from Matt Levine “There’s a Money Stuff for that” is the new “Simpsons did it” https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2020-07-23/money-stuff-you-don-t-need-profits-anymore
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@cojo.eth
@survey should the government create a competitive entity in some industries?
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Sid Ravikumar
@sidravi
The closest term I can think of is Market Interventionism. But a good term could be Competitive State Capitalism or Public Private Competition Model.
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Marius Scurtescu
@marius
The government run competitor would have a huge advantage. Looking at the amount of lobbying, corruption and industry capture an impartial government looks more and more like a daydream.
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Tushar Soni
@tusharsoni.eth
India tends to do both - competitor + rules. Off the top of my head, there are/have been gov competitors in oil, telecom, air travel, mining. This is in addition to a healthy competitive landscape
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@nicnode
neoliberalism? lol
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@vrypan.eth
Rainbow Unicorn, imho
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@padpad
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_capitalism
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@1982
had no idea, so asked LLaMa: There isn't a specific name for the type of government you described [...] The approach you mentioned, where the government runs one competitor in every important industry, is sometimes referred to as a "public enterprise" or "state-owned enterprise" model.
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@zachharris.eth
Think there’s a network state called BRIC kinda sorta doing that.
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@aaronrferguson.eth
Not sure, but tbh that sounds like an efficiency nightmare. I’d rather see governments rely less on private sector for things that make far more sense being under a ministry umbrella. For example - infrastructure construction and road repair. No incentive for quality roads if pvt company gets the annual contract
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@wmougayar
2/2 Good example is the LCBO that runs the industry, creates rules for it & lets a tiny bit of artificial competition under its own rules, resulting in an illusion of openness, but where the consumer ends up paying the price financially & gets poor choices. So you end up with the worst system.
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William Mougayar
@wmougayar
The devil is in the details. It can be run in the name of consumer protection etc but if there are warped aspects in all of this & includes rules too, you get a pretty bad situation. 1/2
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@arun02139
China. They have a government mandate to take a 1% minimum stake in any company if they choose (giving them something like a board seat with a lot of power) and use this as a legal cudgel to control their behavior. I don't think it would work for a government to directly launch competitors but... maybe it can work!!
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@ufolud
running a profitable state owned businesses is really challenging because there is no one that actually owns it (government's money=not my money for the majority)
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@chops
Ha, Affirmative Anti-Oligarchical Capitalism? No, but I’m not sure that’s the answer. Anything tending toward a natural monopoly should be handled by the state anyway, imo. Especially anything that sits in the basic needs category.
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