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Vitalik Buterin
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Is the goal of environmentalism to maximize the health of the environment, or to maximize the health of the environment experienced by the average person? (I think both are valid goals, but they can lead to very different conclusions) https://x.com/TheGattoniCelli/status/1796949964804747335
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What's the difference? If the health of the environment gets so bad that it's dangerous to 95% of people on the planet, then both goals have failed
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It's all signaling. Stated preference: I live in a city to reduce my carbon footprint Revealed preference: if I had a private jet I would use it every weekend without hesitation
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John Camkiran
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It is not about maximising anything, but rather about minimising our collective impact on the environment. Nature thrives by itself.
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it's debatable whether health is maximized if environmentalism demonstrates myopia & mismanages itself among the anthropocene. the ideal experience & natural outcome aren't the same thing, but they may overlap without some intractable austerity. former > latter, but still deals w/ humans.
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Dense house is inhuman, I suspect it contributes to declining birth rates.
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Mixed-use building is the best environmental policy. Just outright housing density causes tons of issues. Plus overly dense areas are not very resilient. They can succumb easily to epidemics, environmental crises, congestion. New York is not a good model for environmentalism. Your average Swiss or Dutch township is
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I think it should be to maximize the health of the environment experienced by all living creatures - not just humans. We share this planet with so many other amazing living things. We should try to make sure to preserve as many of them as we can. ❤️
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i actually wrote a paper for school about this, the gwei the governments are approaching this crisis leads me to believe that they are trying to maximize the health of the environment experienced. Building seawalls to protect from rising tides is an example where they increase emissions to “protect the environment”
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While conserving ecosystems and biodiversity is important, the ultimate aim for us, humans, should be to protect the environment in a way that benefits human health and well-being. Balance is key.
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A question I have wondered about. Do you sense that students growing up have the freedom to ask these kind of questions at school or university without some form of academic peer pressure? (Maybe It is just my experience from the places I've lived) I see a need for healthy curiosity increase on how humans are effected.
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Wouldnt you say it’s hard to extrapolate the conclusions of these goals as we aren’t optimising for either 👀
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experienced by the average person
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Nerdy Nedo
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I think so
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Definitely human-centric efforts.
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Dave Folk
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The goal of environmentalism should be to foster sustainable growth for humanity. If we believe economic growth is net good for the average person then we should strive to grow but in a way that prevents resource depletion for further generations. Conservationism is preservation and restoration of existing biomes.
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Environment imo. Which is also weird because, as far as Earth history goes, it has to deal with a lot worse than few degree caused by human being
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"People trying to make the world safe for their Volvos. Besides, environmentalists don’t give a shit about the planet. Not in the abstract they don’t. You know what they’re interested in? A clean place to live. Their own habitat." George Carlin
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Environmentalists can’t answer that because they’re also divided. As an ex-green party member, I kept saying “the planet is fine, the people are f***” and that would make some people mad. They think human species really is anything relevant in the planet’s “health”
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