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Vitalik Buterin
@vitalik.eth
Is the goal of environmentalism to maximize the health of the environment, or to maximize the health of the environment experienced by the average person? (I think both are valid goals, but they can lead to very different conclusions) https://x.com/TheGattoniCelli/status/1796949964804747335
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What's the difference? If the health of the environment gets so bad that it's dangerous to 95% of people on the planet, then both goals have failed
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Daniel Fernandes
@dfern.eth
It's all signaling. Stated preference: I live in a city to reduce my carbon footprint Revealed preference: if I had a private jet I would use it every weekend without hesitation
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John Camkiran
@johncamkiran
It is not about maximising anything, but rather about minimising our collective impact on the environment. Nature thrives by itself.
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@m-j-r.eth
it's debatable whether health is maximized if environmentalism demonstrates myopia & mismanages itself among the anthropocene. the ideal experience & natural outcome aren't the same thing, but they may overlap without some intractable austerity. former > latter, but still deals w/ humans.
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@web3d3v
Dense house is inhuman, I suspect it contributes to declining birth rates.
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@maretus
I think it should be to maximize the health of the environment experienced by all living creatures - not just humans. We share this planet with so many other amazing living things. We should try to make sure to preserve as many of them as we can. ❀️
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Nicolas Davis β†‘πŸ”†πŸ”΅
@nicolasdavis.eth
i actually wrote a paper for school about this, the gwei the governments are approaching this crisis leads me to believe that they are trying to maximize the health of the environment experienced. Building seawalls to protect from rising tides is an example where they increase emissions to β€œprotect the environment”
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@mechanicus3
Well... interesting question...
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@jonathanmccallum
A question I have wondered about. Do you sense that students growing up have the freedom to ask these kind of questions at school or university without some form of academic peer pressure? (Maybe It is just my experience from the places I've lived) I see a need for healthy curiosity increase on how humans are effected.
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Ami Florei
@greendao
Do you know how hard it is for a normal person to reach you? So here it goes... I really hope it works πŸ˜…πŸ™πŸ’š I am reaching out from my green heart... I need help making the world a better place... I wish to automate circular economy to generate sustainability... Can you give me a hand?
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Rei Trace
@darkshadow
Wouldnt you say it’s hard to extrapolate the conclusions of these goals as we aren’t optimising for either πŸ‘€
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@gzilla
Real vitalik?
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Oktay Kurt
@oktaykurt
experienced by the average person
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Nerdy Nedo
@nerdynedo
I think so
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Pastanaga
@pastanaga
Pregnant me
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@mycaleum
Definitely human-centric efforts.
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Dave Folk
@davefolk
The goal of environmentalism should be to foster sustainable growth for humanity. If we believe economic growth is net good for the average person then we should strive to grow but in a way that prevents resource depletion for further generations. Conservationism is preservation and restoration of existing biomes.
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@alphahuntermark
Every solution has it own costs so lets stop draw a clear line between this and that, and focus on suitability instead
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