Vitalik Buterin on Farcaster

Content pfp

0 reply

0 recast

0 reaction

Vitalik Buterin pfp

Vitalik Buterin

One meta-note on the situation, is that in my timeline I have seen exactly zero non-western people defending Durov's arrest, but quite a few western people. Definitely don't want to say that they don't exist (after all, my timeline is biased just like anyone's), just this is what my sample is so far. IMO this is another example of the decoupling of liberalism and westernism that https://x.com/MacaesBruno often talks about.

35 replies

170 recasts

467 reactions

Mac Budkowski pfp

Same on my timeline, feels like some Western people forgot the fundaments of their culture

6 replies

5 recasts

25 reactions

MikaDoe pfp

There are milions of non-westerns defending Durov including myself and many other of the middle-eastern community that I know.

1 reply

0 recast

0 reaction

Kiraa♡ pfp

i don’t want to make assumptions but this is probably because you follow more western people. and also from personal observation non - western people focus more on problems that directly affect them.

1 reply

0 recast

5 reactions

casslin.eth pfp

grass is always greener on the other side: maybe that explains? ppl who live under ample freedom may crave for more gov. control, while ppl from the other side has 1st hand experience how excessive gov. control doesn't help, but make things worse. (more caveats needed, just a generalized statement)

2 replies

0 recast

5 reactions

Est3la pfp

By the same logic, gun manufacturers should be arrested because their creation is causing damage but they are not. So I wonder when is gov intervention appropriate and when is it no? What is the role or moral obligation of a creator whose creation is causing damage (or has unintended consequences)?

0 reply

0 recast

0 reaction

matthewb pfp

western folks who have not experienced authoritarianism first-hand are more likely to desire greater gov control, precisely because they do not (yet) understand the consequences.

0 reply

0 recast

0 reaction

J. Valeska 🦊🎩🫂 pfp

J. Valeska 🦊🎩🫂

what is western liberalism is just a fake?.. there are tons of laws that could charge almost everyone out there... and we are adopting the worst of the US laws about the powers of the deep state.. to act against terrorism and so on.. but using them with political intent, applied to other normal crimes and criminals, to spread fear, etc.. I think they also mentioned that this time.. I have no idea about Durov's life.. but.. I think everyone should have access to encrypted messaging.. If I would talk with you about something, no one should have the right to listen to it.. until we choose to open this window.. just like privacy should be...

1 reply

0 recast

2 reactions

Harpocryptes pfp

The rule of law, equality before the law, and the right to a fair trial are all liberal values (among others, of course). So I think you can support liberalism without necessarily being against the investigation/arrest. What matters are the specific charges, and evidence which we don't know yet.

1 reply

0 recast

2 reactions

William Saar pfp

People living in democracies view laws and the judiciary as more legitimate than people living in dictatorships? Perhaps when people perceive that there are broad freedoms, people get less guarded about some authoritarianism directed at the fringes...

1 reply

0 recast

1 reaction

assayer pfp

it started a long ago with the Jordan Peterson cult of the Western culture, and in 2024 the process is finishing with the US changing "human rights" to "law-based order", and rising US-UN tensions. it is a different world now https://warpcast.com/assayer/0xc9b5aea2

0 reply

0 recast

1 reaction

JR ↑ pfp

I explained the case to mg gf and why it annoys me but then I told her she got other things to figure out than online privacy and the arrest of a billionaire and simply live happily. Think this argument fits with the broader community. Lots of westerners come from a background with a safety net &or accumulated wealth and care about this (almost ideological libertarian) issue while people in other locations prefer to fight other issues first.

0 reply

0 recast

1 reaction

black.base.eth pfp

Elon told them to be outraged so they are. 😐

0 reply

0 recast

0 reaction

Ril pfp

like always - based

0 reply

0 recast

0 reaction

Doncic pfp

The West is cooked imo... what once was the dualism of opinions and freedom of speech is a competition of lobbyists today. There is no free market, no freedom of speech ... all about control & power like anywhere else in the world.

0 reply

0 recast

0 reaction

Сергей pfp

I agree with you. Durov and you make peapole free.

0 reply

0 recast

0 reaction

Maya Raghavan pfp

this just shows the level of success of the “western” brainwashing

1 reply

0 recast

0 reaction

ZOC pfp

Difficult to infer from someone defending an arrest on social media. I don’t think he should’ve been arrested. But that’s a small issue. He will figure it out. We don’t seem to understand the gravity of what can happen on social media: it can include child pornography and child trafficking. This is real world harm. We have a responsibility as a collective to focus on solving the problem instead of dodging responsibility to reduce overhead in the name of “free speech.”

0 reply

0 recast

0 reaction

Jordan pfp

i don't think there's any decoupling of liberalism and westernism. liberal / western governments have always regulated media and media platforms.

0 reply

0 recast

0 reaction

max ↑ pfp

@baseddesigner.eth

Do you count Balaji as western person This western vs eastern thing doesn’t really work for individuals especially if they more between those often

0 reply

0 recast

0 reaction