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Lots of people on the other site are mocking this tweet, but I feel like there's a specific sense in which it's true. American products, music, entertainment etc are still super pervasive worldwide, but what there's less caring about is US *real-time discourse*. Eg. very little discussion of Biden vs Trump in non-US
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In 2016 or even 2020 things felt very different in this regard. And the same for other US political tropes: wokeness vs antiwokeness, "the southern border", red vs blue, gender issues... I don't think I heard any reference to them in my recent memory of travels through the non-West. This feels new.
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I think the last point is incorrect. As an Australian, I can attest Biden / Trump is a big concern for us. Same sentiments when I visited Malaysia and Singapore recently. Americanism may not be as pervasive as before but its still a discussion point.
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This is true. Sitting in India, for decades we’ve followed what Colin Powell or Condoleeza Rice had to say. Don’t even know who is the defence secretary or Secretary of State any more. Even culture wise, while Friends and American pop culture still dominate, K-pop and K-drama waves are more common than 10 years ago
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Yes, there is a noticeable dropping down the pecking order even here in Dublin (which is effectively a satellite town of Silicon Valley).
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I think Americans in general overestimate how much the rest of the world thinks about them. We just pay more attention when they’re lighting themselves on fire.
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+1. People might get the feeling that we (the rest of the world) discuss US-related issues a lot but that's because they're on Twitter which is US-centric.
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I'm not sure why culture is conflated with politics. They are different things, no? Japanese culture has its influence, yet not many people care about their politics. American politics has its influence, and yet a lot of people don't care for their culture. My view is all culture has power while empires come and go.
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North Americans learn that nobody outside North America talks about North America…
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Most definitely America no longer feels like the focal point It almost always has in the past
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This is an interesting observation. Are there other nations’ political discourses that have remained or become increasingly relevant to outside nations? (EU’s? China’s? Russia’s?) Or are people just less interested in political discourse generally?
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When I think about cultural power, I think the US is still incredibly influential (especially tech) but I see the point re: influence on political ideology. But are “empires” today the same as they were? Or is pop culture the empire? 🤔
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Even in the US people don’t talk about Biden vs Trump. Everyone knows Trump is not a politician, he’s an autocrat. American culture has captured the world, it doesn’t have to be talked about in Jakarta. They’re already at Starbucks on an iPhone checking Instagram. Watch what people do, not what they say.
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I'm in the US and I don't want to talk about Biden vs Trump anymore. When can we get candidates that actually care, aren't geriatric, and understand technology?
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I think most global geopolitical discussion has become centered around war, and where its going to go / how it's going to develop. Started with Russia/Ukraine, continued with Israel/Hamas, and further continued in the rest of the Middleast / Indian ocean
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Even in the US there are 11 nation-like areas that, depending on region (see link) have moved on from US discourse. My rural US family used to talk politics, now they talk energy, food, water, and crypto. https://mapstack.substack.com/p/the-eleven-nations-of-the-united
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Videos of their youths failing badly at basic general knowledge like naming different countries in this world are still quite astonishing to watch
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And yet their favorite websites are American. Checkmate.
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Isn't that a good thing though? Have multi-polaristic cultural norms that are forks of the parent culture (e.g think Arab american culture, or Indian american culture) vs just American culture. That way there is diversity whilst not compromising consensus mechanisms (cause the cultures are so 180 deg diff).
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The US is def on decline, slowly but surely. They are on the defensive and will remain a global hegemon for a century more or so even if their influence wanes. Outside their borders...that's a different story.
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