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Lots of people on the other site are mocking this tweet, but I feel like there's a specific sense in which it's true. American products, music, entertainment etc are still super pervasive worldwide, but what there's less caring about is US *real-time discourse*. Eg. very little discussion of Biden vs Trump in non-US
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In 2016 or even 2020 things felt very different in this regard. And the same for other US political tropes: wokeness vs antiwokeness, "the southern border", red vs blue, gender issues... I don't think I heard any reference to them in my recent memory of travels through the non-West. This feels new.
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+1. People might get the feeling that we (the rest of the world) discuss US-related issues a lot but that's because they're on Twitter which is US-centric.
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I think most global geopolitical discussion has become centered around war, and where its going to go / how it's going to develop. Started with Russia/Ukraine, continued with Israel/Hamas, and further continued in the rest of the Middleast / Indian ocean
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And yet their favorite websites are American. Checkmate.
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Isn't that a good thing though? Have multi-polaristic cultural norms that are forks of the parent culture (e.g think Arab american culture, or Indian american culture) vs just American culture. That way there is diversity whilst not compromising consensus mechanisms (cause the cultures are so 180 deg diff).
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North Americans learn that nobody outside North America talks about North America…
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Don’t know maybe it’s an Asia perception but in South America I feel US politics topics are imported past the point in which they make sense. I’ve seen debates in Brazil against immigration (although we’re a net Emigrant country) and even white supremacy (yet most “whites” here would be “Latinos” in US)
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The internet and with it the evolution of media technology changed all this. The ability to cheaply produce and disseminate information has shattered propaganda hegemony in news channels, entertainment magazines and TV shows/movies. The comparisons to the invention of the printing press are apt.
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Every empire has it’s beginning and end written.
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Because it’s not really a choice for the rest of the world. It’s sooo obvious. But maybe it’s just the normalization of right wing politics populism taking over.
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Even US movies and TV shows are less dominant. It used to be half of blockbuster hits were the USA saving the world.
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Is this even true though? What is his evidence to support this dramatic claim?
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This is an interesting observation. Are there other nations’ political discourses that have remained or become increasingly relevant to outside nations? (EU’s? China’s? Russia’s?) Or are people just less interested in political discourse generally?
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When I think about cultural power, I think the US is still incredibly influential (especially tech) but I see the point re: influence on political ideology. But are “empires” today the same as they were? Or is pop culture the empire? 🤔
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Trump will make short work of that example you gave in the near future I think. The man knows entertainment lol
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I think the last point is incorrect. As an Australian, I can attest Biden / Trump is a big concern for us. Same sentiments when I visited Malaysia and Singapore recently. Americanism may not be as pervasive as before but its still a discussion point.
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This is true. Sitting in India, for decades we’ve followed what Colin Powell or Condoleeza Rice had to say. Don’t even know who is the defence secretary or Secretary of State any more. Even culture wise, while Friends and American pop culture still dominate, K-pop and K-drama waves are more common than 10 years ago
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Yes, there is a noticeable dropping down the pecking order even here in Dublin (which is effectively a satellite town of Silicon Valley).
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I think Americans in general overestimate how much the rest of the world thinks about them. We just pay more attention when they’re lighting themselves on fire.
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