Vitalik Buterin on Warpcast

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Vitalik Buterin

My own experience is the opposite of this. I feel like I would have been a significantly worse person without the influence of EA ideology. https://twitter.com/nickcammarata/status/1725958636529480155

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Jackson 🎩🍖

What do you think caused this perceived downfall?

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Did you not want to make the world a better place before being exposed to EA ideology?

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Where can I learn about EA ideology sir Vitalik

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I can't figure out if EA is supposed to be "e/acc" or "effective altruism"

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So where has it gone wrong in your eyes? The message is nice, but in practice it doesn’t seem to work. Might be human nature à la socialism. They were happy to take money from someone (iirc they knew?) who was fraudulent under SBF, and are meddling where they don’t belong at OpenAI.

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Mac Budkowski ᵏ

Same, it expanded my 'empathy circle' as I started taking into account more people and living creatures. Plus reading 'Harry Potter and Methods of Rationality' (which is tangentially related to EA) has been one of the most important experiences in my life.

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tldr (tim reilly)

EA is deeply anti-Socratic. Instead of "I know that I don't know" it says "I am so sure that I know that I don't spend any time questioning my fundamental assumptions but instead spend all my time on infinitesimal calculations about how to execute my assumptions" Deeply anti-Socratic philosophies should give pause.

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On paper, as most principles, nothing is wrong It’s just been bastardized and is increasingly a way of justifying certain kinds of behaviour. There’s always exceptional people and will be but we have to decide to judge based on intentions or actions and most folks I know would choose to judge on actions.

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I agree. EA is in principal a good thing. Like all principals - humans usually mess them up and fall far short of the values they espouse. That doesn't diminish the truth in the values, it just highlights the fallibility of the human trying to live up to them.

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Connor McCormick ☀️

yeah, I donate much more than I would have if not for EA. And it is nice to do it with a community because it makes you feel less crazy / alone

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interesting, how do you distinguish between your empiricism making you a significantly better person vs your rational interpretation of ideology? I've always perceived the former being more compelling than the latter.

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Zizek’s book “Violence” provides an interesting perspective against EA. For me, it’s hard to be against an ideology that promotes giving and making the world better for people, so I’d be more neutral. But Zizek’s analysis also makes a number of good points

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Both EA and e/acc have merit and are well intentioned. But the road to hell is paved with good intentions. Take any ideology to its logical extreme and you’re gonna have a bad time.

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I used to think EA was only the bad apple censorship & reactionary politics but lately I started to align with it more. I assume it is about EA within and EA within an EA. In some cases EA is more /acc than any /acc, too. At least it helps me reason better.

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What’s this EA?

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