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Vitalik Buterin
@vitalik.eth
A heuristic for how freedom-friendly your urbanism aesthetic is: If you draw an image of a city with your urbanism aesthetic, and then replace a random building with a McDonalds, how much worse does it become? Lunarpunk clearly beats solarpunk on this dimension.
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Brent Fitzgerald
@bf
As cinematic aesthetic sure, but for utopian ideals no. Solarpunk/hopepunk is an intentional exploration of humanity where things get better, not worse. A McDonalds has no place in many people’s ideas of utopian futures. Is capitalist brand friendliness more free? It depends on what who we’re freeing to do what.
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yesyes
@yesyes
Always knew that this was peak aesthetic(it can't get any worse with the inclusion of McDonald's)
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Devon
@devon
That is one branch of solarpunk art, but I prefer this interpretation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqJJktxCY9U It's also more resilient to the McDonalds test (although not perfectly so) I hope the Dear Alice style is what people think of as solarpunk becomes more mainstream, though I think it's unlikely
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@depatchedmode
The main vein of solar punk aesthetic is definitely tracking the worst parts of high modernism. There’s a completely different version of it that’s more about an ethos of grid independence and could totally accommodate a bunch of different looks.
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@drews.eth
would def eat here
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Hsiao-Wei Wang
@hww
The brands should find a way to fit the local aesthetic style. For example, this is a McDonald's in Kyoto:
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shazow
@shazow.eth
Imagine a world where branding is all done in an AR overlay, so we can opt out when we don't feel like it.
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polynya
@polynya
In a solarpunk world, McDonalds would look very different, wouldn't it? I don't see why it can't fit in
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Dan
@dberg
The solarpunk scene is unnecessarily uniform…the buildings don’t all have to look exactly the same, and if there were a bit more variety I think a McDonalds would fit in nicely. Ban the massive Golden Arches though, those things are atrocious eye sores.
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maurelian
@maurelian.eth
When I see Solar punk imagery, I can’t help but imagine the dark and dingy scenes elsewhere which support the happy green image.
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Liang /degencast SOON🎩
@liang
How do we rank McDonalds friendliness for Singapore, HongKong and Tokyo?
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Ox Bid
@oxb
The left picture looks familiar to me 🇸🇬
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Mike | Abundance
@abundance
We can also do the reverse experiment and plant a tree in your urban aesthetic and then consider the difference
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@sanchitram.eth
I actually think the right thing for the US is “Autozone”, not fast food, bur I see your point
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foxwizard
@foxwizard
I lament how mono-dimensional solarpunk has come to be framed these days. “[…] given the choice between ‘the only solution’ and ‘possible options,’ solarpunk will always choose the latter.” https://solarpunkmagazine.com/solarpunk-a-container-for-more-fertile-futures-jay-springett/
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@thatguyintech
so tokyo?
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@links
If you don’t think McDonald’s can fit into the aesthetic on the left you are grossly underestimating McDonald’s. They’re thriving in almost every country in the world. It’s not because they eschew the local culture, it’s because the integrate. How dare you, sir. Think of the poor multinational.
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@seanwbren
If the golden arches were "green leaf arches" then it would fit in. So brands could shift to include the green aesthetic. But the lunarpunk streets looks more livable/walkable than the solarpunk apartment high-rises, to cherry-pick an argument from your images
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@ahn.eth
What's your favorite thing to order at McDonald's? Or rephrased, if you had to get something at Mickey D's, what would you get?
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