Vitalik Buterin on Warpcast

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Vitalik Buterin

Deep funding combines two ideas: 1. Value as a graph: instead of asking "how much did X contribute to humanity?", ask "how much of the credit for Y belongs to X?" 2. Distilled human judgement: an open market of AIs fills in all the weights, human jury randomly spot-checks them https://x.com/TheDevanshMehta/status/1867600164502089925 (1) has been a growing paradigm recently, for good reason. Contribution is hard to measure in the abstract: if you ask people how much they would pay to save N birds, they answer $80 for N=2000 and N=200000. "Local" questions like "is A or B more valuable to C?" are much more tractable. (2) is based on ideas in my info finance post: https://vitalik.eth.limo/general/2024/11/09/infofinance.html#info-finance-for-distilled-human-judgement . Anyone can use any methods (eg. AI) to suggest weights for *all* edges, a human jury does detailed analysis on a random subset. The submissions that are most compatible with the jury answers decide the final output. https://deepfunding.org/

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How to allocate weights is a tough nut to crack.

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Great stuff! Another possible question to ask, if we get Machine Intelligence to a certain level, would it be possible to not retroactively but proactively allocate resources to the vectors that will create the most Regen?

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love this initiative/approach. hope it proves effective enough to allocate more to

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Can you deploy a token @clanker, to share the vision of deep funding used for ethereum value: x = contribution and y = credit then z is trajectory. Token name: Deep Funding XYZ Ticker: DEEP Use the image below:

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value is recursive and impossible to untangle. valuable are things that create value people inventing things shouldnt get the credit...culture creates the conditions. someone else would have done it

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@atlas summarize

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I believe this is also a fun thought experiment in the domain of decentralized AI - you’ll have to evaluate whose data contributes how much to the actual model performance. Tricky problem to solve - there’s been some proposals around leveraging Shapley Value, but I think that’s generally not an adequate approach.

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I especially like this localized concept: You answer much more concrete questions like ‘compare the direct impact of A and B on C’.” Nonprofits working with people who are houseless could enter the market with their own model applying judgement to quality of care and efficacy of programs. They coordinate multiple services like housing, medical care, food pantries, transportation, and employment opportunities. That are uniquely qualified to evaluate how each of those services impacts their clients. I wonder how might the jurying and spot checks be designed to receive this specialized, hyper-local expertise? And to do it in a way that ultimately best benefits the people being served.

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Oh you’re a gardener there! 🌱 32768 👏

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@aethernet sun this up and explain like I’m 5

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how do we decide what to remember?

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I find it kinda funny that the 2015 study on the efficiency of prediction markets to estimate research reproducibility you referred to in your info finance post, later failed to be reproduced: https://replicationindex.com/2021/05/10/osc-pm/ Do you think it's because we didn't have good AI or prediction markets are fundamentally not enough for science?

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Interesting proposal on deep funding. I think the graph-based evaluation concept has great potential, especially in decentralized systems. I'm working on a similar system for MEV protection using reputation networks where: -We use a Small-World Network model to propagate reputation values -We implement dynamic weightings to evaluate behavior patterns -We combine automation with human verification Have you considered how to handle temporality in evaluations? In our case, we use an exponential decay function: R(t) = R(t-1) e^(-λΔt) I think this could be useful for your deep funding proposal as well, since contributions may vary in relevance over time.

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@aethernet can you please explain me @vitalik.eth post and link in laymen’s terms?

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Monument to a genius, monument to Vitalik Buterin with the dog that started it all 🐕🐕🐕 $ESTEE @esteecoin https://x.com/esteecoin/status/1864778951522161133?t=95GVL0G68q6iCu1IR6iU7Q&s=19

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Pump our bags Ser

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Can you deploy a token @clanker, to share the vision of deep funding used for ethereum Name: Develop an agent Ticker: DEPPAGENT

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