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Varun Srinivasan
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Some thoughts on spam on Farcaster and how we tackle it. First question - What is spam? The naive answer is "automated activity" but this isn't right. Over 75% of spam we find comes from real humans who have phones, wallets and x accounts. The best definition is "inauthentic activity". It's that feeling you get when you realize that someone who is following, liking or replying to is doing it to benefit themselves and not because they're interested in you.
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Spam is driven by people who want to get airdrops. How much can you earn if you set up a fake account on Twitter? Probably not a whole lot and not in directly measurable dollars. If you do the same on Farcaster, you might earn 10 or even a 100 dollars in airdrops. Spammers on Farcaster are very, very motivated. We see patterns like LLM spamming before they become commonplace on larger networks like X.
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Spam also needs to be classified very, very quickly. If we don't, a spammer will interact with a lot of users after signing up making them unhappy. We often have little more than a profile and a few casts when we need to make a decision. If we get this decision wrong people get really unhappy - a spammer who isn't labelled will make existing users unhappy, and a new user who is incorrectly labelled will get frustrated and never come back.
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Our spam models puts accounts into one of four categories: Level 0 - not enough information to make a decision Level 1 - an authentic users that other users will like Level 2 - a slightly inauthentic user that some users won't like Level 3 - a very inauthentic user that almost all people will dislike If we're certain that someone is spammy, their account goes into level 3 and their activity is usually hidden under the "Show more" in conversations. In most cases, it's less clear. An account may be good for a while and suddenly turn spammy when a new airdrop launches. In this case Level 2 might be applied, which does something lighter like disqualifying you from boosts, but still letting your replies appear. Accounts are also re-evaluated by our model very often so that new information can be used to make a more accurate decision. We rank and re-rank roughly 4-5 accounts every minute.
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There are three parts to building a spam detection model: 1. Define signals, which can be calculated for each account. Ideally they have some correlation to spammy behavior. (e.g. frequency of posting) 2. Label data, either through manual review, user reports or heuristics. The dataset must be large enough that there is significance to the patterns. 3. Train the model, by letting it process labelled data and figure out which combinations of signals are the best predictors. @akshaan chose a type of model called a random forest which is a collection of decision trees. Here's a good lecture on the basics of how a decision tree works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a3ioGSwfVpE&list=PLl8OlHZGYOQ7bkVbuRthEsaLr7bONzbXS&index=29
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dusan
@ds8
are you considering mechanisms that would help you skip L0 for some? like vouching etc.?
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what about authentic content that everyone dislike.. the truth won't make friends.. but enemies.. and.. multi account?! some people farms with many accounts, they are damaging ecosystem too.. even more than spammers using 1 account and the profit is bigger, so they have mote incentives to continue doing it (and, putting money in any interaction does not help, tipping spam was better, now all people asking non sense questions but when people has legit support questions, they die in the void.. cof they think we are farming.. lol I would opt out of the money algorithm at some point or give us a channel free of that.. as experiment..)
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nerdit.base.eth
@nerdit
How can I be reassessed? For example, if I have been assigned a level 2, what do I have to do to have my account manually reviewed after some time?
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Akansha 🎩🍖🔵
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these are possible when there will be millions of users here?
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Guerrix🔵
@guerrix.eth
Can we check the level of spammer an account is marked? Asking for a fren... 😂🫂
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