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Chainleft
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Classic case for capitalism is that it'll usually win in the shortest terms. For example. you privatize education, so less tax burden on citizens. Of course by turning your education into a profit-machine, you're changing the objective function of your system. Over time, your system will optimize for profit instead of the optimizing for better education. Same applies to reducing protections for health, food, family programs, etc. What I'm saying is, starting from the same point, invisible hand cannot compete with planned systems on longer periods.
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thoughtcrimeboss
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Imagine if public education actually optimized for better education instead of optimizing for teachers unions and producing obedient slaves. If public education worked, the massive increase in spending over the years would at the very least keep test scores steady rather than produce the decline we have seen! Sure there are issues with a purely for profit model, but we know having the Government in charge of education is proven not to work by the data, so we need a new system whether it be a fully for profit model or a hybrid. Anything is better than what we already know doesn't work
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Chainleft
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Why does pubilc education work well in Europe? Why does pubilc education work well work in China? Why does it work well in Russia (yes, it does, based on scores)? If you're looking at correlations, you should map why US who has a more privatized system is scoring lower than all its counterparts who have a more public system.
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thoughtcrimeboss
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Well I believe the private schools of the United States school system are scoring just fine. For one, teachers unions in Russia and China have no power or are severely restricted so the Governments of said countries probably actually get more education for each dollar they spend? And what part of Europe are you referring to? Math test scores have been on the decline in France, Germany, and Finland for quite a while, the decline started before COVID. I didn't bother researching the rest of Europe. You did make me think about the problem of using test scores to begin with, just because a student can pass a test doesn't mean they can think for themselves and question authority. I suppose an "education" is entirely subjective beyond the very basics. One person's ideal education is very different from another's, which is why it's so dumb to try and standardize it IMHO. https://hechingerreport.org/mathematics-test-scores-in-some-countries-have-been-dropping-for-years-even-as-the-subject-grows-in-importance/
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Chainleft
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Even with that drop, they all score higher than USA. At math, USA is at #34 out of 80 who participate in PISA. Behind Asian and European countries (including East European) https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/pisa-scores-by-country I do agree standardized tests aren't a great way to measure it. It's just the only thing we can use.
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