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i asked this on insta (which is asking for trouble) and will ask here: why is the oppressed/oppressor framework used so commonly these days and how is it helpful to advancing society? under this framework, what happens when the oppressed is no longer oppressed? it must become the oppressor; there is no other option.

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also please reply with "i don't know" and/or "it isn't helpful" if those are your answers to these questions. it is important to me — and to society — that we share our true opinions and perspectives. thank you!

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one of the most grounded responses from @tayyab on X. thank you, as always. need to share this with the wider audience here.

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Because it's a simple binary narrative, and largely the people who espouse it aren't interested in advancing society. They are interested in decelerating because, "meh growth bad"

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it's the most relatable model of power structures to most ppl, and advancing society for whom is the question to be asking i shouldn't have to go into how trans ppl are oppressed, and the 'parents rights' movement is about how parents feel oppressed by state institutions teaching values that are contrary to their own

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1 - It is a way for people to cope with chaos and the harsh reality of nature that otherwise governs brutal outcomes. For every animal species, the strong and attractive prevail, the weaker and less intelligent are subservient. Some traits and forms of culture are superior and create natural advantages in competition.

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Good question - IMO it lacks some nuance but I think it can be as helpful a tool as any abstraction. It seems that at some point we do have to determine thresholds. Can we build liberating technology like FC without the a definition for oppressive technology?

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oversimplifies nuances allows to identify as the victim yet be the protagonist allows one to suppress guilt

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I think that binary gives voice to the lack of agency and voice which many people experience today.

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"I suppose it is tempting, if the only tool you have is a hammer, to treat everything as if it were a nail." The framework turns people into hammers or nails. So you're not a human anymore. Just a hammer or a nail. No growth or accountability, no self-agency. Such a bummer of a framework!

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karpman_drama_triangle

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an advanced society is characterised by its ability to effectively identify, differentiate, and acknowledge these dynamics and frameworks. https://warpcast.com/emmanuel/0xceea88d3

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1. It's been usurped by the oligarchy to obtain/retain power. The framework is used as a 'viral vector' to insert corrupting mechanisms into society to defeat opponents under the cover of virtuous sounding causes.

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I think it's just the easiest/simplest way to view complex dynamics, and thus because it's the simplest, it's understandable/available to the most number of people (with the lowest required effort of thinking). It's not helpful and I don't think will really last as the predominant thinking long term (hopefully)

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everyone's success is only measured against their starting base now, so origins > outcomes leaning into oppression is satisfying for anyone b/c it creates universal winners -- truly successful people believe they overcame adversity, and those struggling are just suffering from systemic biases nobody loses in the end

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there is no middle ground had between some intersections of progressive educators and parents, which is why i think a national divorce in the states and elsewhere is probably looming

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it’s popular bc it drives engagement and clicks on social media. very online people have retconned it into something more grassroots even though it’s literally algorithm-driven. it’s not helpful to society: it’s helpful to social media platforms’ profits

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I don’t think that framework is used commonly moreso than the fact that social media has illustrated just how entrenched these relationships are around the world. It’s the object permanence dynamic—if it’s not in your view, it doesn’t exist.

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Starting to believe it’s a downsampled secular evolution of Christianity - idolisation of the victim, original sin, repentance, confession Like all ideologies, it’s a simplification to replace thinking. First order models spread rapidly Could also be pure tribal signalling. People need a framework to know good

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