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most problems in human culture thus far are caused by humans thinking a cheap shortcut is equal to actually putting in the work
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swampnet
@swampnet
My problem with this is the implication that losing weight the traditional way (diet and exercise) is something that people are choosing not to do. Weight loss is extremely difficult if not impossible for many people for a myriad of biological reasons. There isn’t anything immoral about taking a medication that has the potential to help you with this if losing weight is something you want to do. IMHO. 💕
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the problem I have with this line of thought is that these people could’ve avoided the weight they have to lose by not taking the cheap shortcut of ultraprocessed foods, which many of them more than likely have lived a lifetime consuming: and while that’s not their fault entirely either the problem is the cheap shortcut of ultraprocessed foods shouldn’t have ever been allowed to happen: corruption in the system we have to root out
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Purp🇵🇸
@purp
Lmfao I mean how many Americans would love to afford more than cheap ultra processed foods all the time
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why i mentioned it’s not their fault directly
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swampnet
@swampnet
Why are we so disturbed by fatness that we treat it like people are too dumb, lazy or poor to know how to care for their bodies? I’m not saying that the USA isn’t at fault for literally everything ever, but also, the idea that fatness is an epidemic that needs to be solved, when scientific evidence that fatness CAUSES so many serious medical problems (and for example isn’t actually a symptom of medical problems) is limited and literature is deeply flawed. Bodies have changed throughout human history in a myriad of ways. For example, our feet have gotten bigger. Are we framing this as a health problem and then also saying a potential cure for it (ozempic) is the lazy way and should carry its own stigma? It feels like there is an overall moral panic around fatness, and people in thin bodies (and fat ones) feel entitled to police fat peoples bodies in a way we don’t do with other parts of the population. So Is the world going to be a better place if we get rid of the fat people?
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I’m just saying we need to be aware of the long tail of anything; there is no inherent propensity in society or culture for longtermism, especially in our modern cultures, and that’s the biggest thing that is going to be our collective downfall. I’m overweight myself, and I know I need to work on it. It’s a massive tax on my body and the health problems associated with it are potentially the largest tax on our healthcare system writ large. And I’m of the mind if we can start to reverse the trend with this, we also can reverse the trend with the massively oversized commercial grade vehicles people want to drive in this godforsaken hell hole we call America. Longtermism is the only way we right the ship.
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