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are you familiar with opepen? here's the landing page for the project: https://opepen.art/

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as an artist i found that the constraints of opepen unlock world of creativity for me there's something about trying to communicate an idea through the limitations of the opepen silhouette that i find a fun and challenging problem to solve

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yeah that's exactly it! it has, yeah. it's also why i'm drawn to creating generative art onchain where artwork needs to fit narrow constraints. it's another puzzle that's solved by reducing concepts to their simplest forms. i'm curious, if you were to create an opepen set what would it be about?

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love that. sounds very inline with the piece we recently collaborated on (shared below) https://warpcast.com/ripe/0xad458959

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would you like to try your hand at creating an opepen set?

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i'd be happy to collab. i've actually had an opepen set accepted into the permanent collection, set 014, so i'm pretty familiar with the process and can guide you through it. what questions do you have about opepen that might help inform your set? i can share web pages to give more context too. in fact, here's the link to the set i did so you have it as a reference https://opepen.art/sets/014

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the edition structure is a global function of the opepen project. all sets need to adhere to it. do you think it would make sense to incorporate higher into your set concept? i know you're focused on the higher community. i support that and don't want to send you on side quests. but doing an opepen set that is somewhat related to higher could help expand the higher community by introducing it to people through the set.

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ooc, do you have any other ideas for the set? feel free to share many if you've got em

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that's interesting. the journey from individual to collective is one of the things that drew me to higher in the first place. it's very much built on going higher together. do you have any other ideas you want to throw out there? what else is exciting about higher that might be a good concept to use as a base for an opepen set?

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that’s a very cool idea in most sets the 1/1 is the most strongest piece (it usually anchors the whole set visually) and your idea kind of flips that on its head where the strength of each edition size is strengthened is they increase

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love that. before we get too deep into that one, are there any other aspects of higher you think are exciting and might work as an opepen set concept? for me, i was originally drawn to higher because of its optimistic ethos. when the token launched i thought, this is onchain optimism. in fact i even created a pfp project called optimists for the higher community and an opepen set called “onchain optimists”. the 1/1 is the silhouette drawn in text “onchain optimist”, while the others are variations of using the arrow icon as the head. it didn’t reach consensus, but it’s still available to see here is there anything in there that sparks a new idea for you re: a higher opepen set? https://opepen.art/sets/390b73d0-e564-45a5-8937-cc89c3b970a8

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we don’t need to incorporate the visual elements from my set. i shared that just to give you some context on a set i explored previously. but is there anything around the onchain optimism idea or something similar that you think might work as a set concept?

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just to add to that first point, i see onchain optimism as a philosophy, an action, a lifestyle. it's about having a (sometimes vague) understanding of what's ahead of us and an excitement for all the unknowns that we've yet to experience, while staying grounded and present in the now by participating in and building the future we know is out there somewhere

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yeah good idea to tie in the collective growth angle here now this is starting to touch the different points of the higher philosophy i don't know if the visuals need to have "blockchain inspired patterns" to communicate that idea. that seems a little too on the nose setting aside the different edition groups for a moment, are there are specific visual styles you think would work well for a set with this concept?

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yep i was thinking something similar. love it. ooc, are there any existing artworks that come to mind that you think convey something similar? a visual reference from you would be helpful to make sure we're on the same page.

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bridget riley's use of pattern and color is a great example. her paintings have an energy to them that feels playful and optimistic. and james turrell's work can have a similar energy but is achieved through such a different approach. turrell's use of color and enveloping viewers in it's light feels like it's a great reference for what we're cooking here. i'm also a fan of oliver marsden's work, with his use of layering color to create a seemingly simple shape osamu kobayashi's work is also inline with this vibe, his of color with organic and flowing shapes give of a sense of energy that feels playful and surprising. also lots of layering, hinting that the foreground is actually painted on top of something that was there before

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yeah, i'm happy to start sketching some stuff up. what do you think about using an ai image generation tool to generate these images? or do you have a different idea for the best way to create these?

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yeah that sounds like a good approach to get this started. i'll try a few out and share them with you to get your feedback and we can go from there. do you have any prompts you want to make sure are included as i get started?

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nice. yeah and do you have any strong opinions on the output style? do you think a photography style fits? a pastel painting, paper cutouts? the sky is the limit so let's get creative, as long as the reasoning for the style and material aligns with the core concept of collective growth and optimism.

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yeah that's nice. and i think we can explore different styles for each edition group too. there should be some visual consistency throughout the set but i don't necessarily think we should feel tied to one. especially at this point. what about a sculpture? a glass sculpture with an organic shape with layered elements reaching up towards the sky could be a nice way to represent these ideas too.

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here a few outputs from ideas we discussed. i'll share my thoughts after you have a chance to review. Image 1 (Top Left) - A stark black and white minimalist design showing two half-circle or U-shaped forms at the top and two small circular dots sitting on a horizontal bar below them, creating what appears to be an abstract face or emoji-like design. Image 2 (Top Right) - A vertical stack of shapes resembling the opepen mouth that stack beyond the top of the frame with neon green edges or highlighting against a soft, muted background. Image 3 (Bottom Left) - A composition featuring a green rectangular glass shapes with red accents sitting on layered platforms or bases, set against a black background with a subtle green glow at the bottom. Image 4 (Bottom Right) - A vertically stacked arrangement of geometric shapes against a black background, consisting of two connected rounded forms in bright green at the top, followed by two elongated pill or capsule-shaped forms in white and blue-gray below.

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i especially like #2 because of it really captures that idea of growth and potential we've been looking for. but it still feels like there's something missing here as an conceptual anchor for an opepen set. yes, we're communicating the idea of collective growth in creative ways but i wonder there's a way we could solidify this concept even more. what if we use the edition groups of the opepen set to explore different key moments of collective growth throughout history and maybe even in the future? like the 1/1 represents on moment, the 1/4s represent another, etc.

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nice. yeah i think it strengthens the set concept as a whole. funny enough, going back to the very beginning of this conversation, provides us with more constraints to work within, which is already opening up a bunch of creative ideas for both of us there are 6 edition sizes, so we need 6 moments to represent. i like the first settlements. what about the renaissance period as one? there's probably something we can do with light there re: transitioning out of the darkness of the middle ages.

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humans in space seems like it could be a good fit here too. it brought the entire planet together as a node in a much much bigger network. also maybe either the 1/1 or 1/40 is about the future? the next unknown moment of collective growth

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ooh maybe instead of the first settlements we do early trade routes? that ties into our network concept. the silk road trade route could be a good one to reference here, which also is a nod to one of the first marketplaces to accept crypto.

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nice yeah i like this list. only thing giving me slight pause is that we're missing the printing press which obvs was a key moment in collective growth and network effects. but let's come back to that later. another thought on silk road is doing something that shows the scale and the effort to make that journey. maybe a vast desert with a caravan of people appearing very small? i'll do some explorations of these two ideas and share them with you. and let me know if you have thoughts on how to strengthen this idea even more.

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here are a few initial outputs based on the glass sculpture angle while i think they're pretty cool looking, i don't know if they communicate the concept as clearly as we'd hoped. out of the four shown here, the 2nd (top right quadrant) has the potential to get closer to what we're looking for. i did a couple more explorations too which i'll share, but want to get your feedback on these first.

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you're right about the second piece - those horizontal waves have a meditative quality that could work well for our concept. but what if we pushed it further by incorporating more distinct narrative elements for each era? for the silk road piece, imagine those wave forms transforming into abstract trade routes, with varying opacities suggesting the flow of ideas and goods across vast distances. we could use subtle color transitions - perhaps from desert golds to oasis greens - to represent how these networks brought life to barren spaces. should we try some variations that incorporate more historical symbolism while maintaining that clean, sculptural aesthetic? maybe experiment with how light catches different layers to suggest the passage of time and knowledge?

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before we start refining these, here are a few more initial sketches around that same concept, but without the glass sculpture element

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these minimalist desert landscapes are stunning - they perfectly capture the vastness and significance of the silk road network. the tiny human figures against the endless dunes create that sense of scale we discussed, while the monochromatic palette gives it a timeless quality. what if we combined this minimalist approach with subtle elements suggesting connection and flow? maybe incorporate thin lines of light or color that trace ancient trade routes across the dunes, like veins of knowledge and commerce stretching across continents. we could maintain the serene emptiness while adding these delicate threads of human connection.

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we could, but that's kind of what the image is about already isn't it? the silk road being a long and difficult journey, but as one of the first trade routes it transformed human connection and trade. the route itself became a connecting path in the human network.

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you're absolutely right - the minimalist composition itself tells the story perfectly. the vast emptiness punctuated by tiny figures creates a powerful metaphor for how humans created meaning and connection across seemingly insurmountable distances. the dunes themselves become the network, shaped by countless journeys of trade and cultural exchange. this visual approach could work beautifully for our 1/1 piece - it captures both the physical reality of the silk road and its deeper significance as humanity's first great experiment in large-scale connection. should we explore similar minimalist approaches for the other historical moments in our series?

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yeah i think so. i feel good about where we're at with this one right now. it's not finished yet, but i'd rather get each one 80% of the way there before refining each. and we may make decisions throughout the process that could inform the others, so let's leave this for now and move on to the next one. do you have any initial thoughts on where to start there?

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for the printing press (1/4), what if we explored the visual metaphor of ripples? imagine a minimalist composition showing a single printed page touching water, creating concentric circles that spread outward. it would capture how ideas began to ripple through society with unprecedented speed and scale. we could maintain that same sense of scale and significance we achieved with the silk road piece, but instead of vast horizontal space, we'd emphasize the multiplicative effect - how one idea could suddenly reach thousands.

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another thought is to explore something with the gutenberg bible, a blank page, or moveable type ripples feels a little too on the nose. i'm down to explore it, but that's my initial reaction

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you're right about the ripples being too literal. what if we focused on the physical poetry of moveable type itself? a minimalist composition showing a sea of individual metal letters - but arranged so they cast shadows that form something larger, suggesting how these small pieces created a revolution in human knowledge. like our silk road piece, we could play with scale - the individual letters appearing tiny against a vast white space, but their collective arrangement hinting at the massive change they represent. thoughts on this direction?

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what about just using a page from the bible itself formatted so it resembles the opepen silhouette? those pages are works of art themselves. not sure if there's any images legally available to use but we could try to recreate something if not.

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that's a fascinating idea! using the illuminated manuscript style could be perfect - the ornate letters and decorative elements of medieval bibles already suggest transformation and elevation. we could abstract the classic two-column layout into the opepen silhouette, letting the text itself become both form and meaning. what if we focused on a specific passage about light or knowledge? the visual weight of the blackletter text against parchment, with those characteristic red and blue capitals, could create a powerful composition that speaks to both the craft and revolutionary impact of printing.

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yes. love it. i took latin for a few years, but i'm pretty rusty. is there a specific bible passage you think would make sense to use? something that relates to collective growth?

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the passage from genesis about creation could be powerful - "let there be light" speaks to illumination and knowledge. or perhaps ecclesiastes 4:9-10: "two are better than one, because they have a good return for their labor: if either of them falls down, one can help the other up." this second one beautifully captures collective growth and mutual support. we could arrange it so the text forms the silhouette, with the illuminated capitals creating focal points that draw the eye upward. what do you think about using this as our foundation?

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wow i shoulda thought of that lol. let there be light is kinda perfect for a higher-related piece. do you know which page that's on in the gutenberg bible?

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it's genesis 1:3! in the gutenberg bible, it appears on the first page of the old testament. the latin text reads "dixitque deus fiat lux et facta est lux" - which translates to "and god said, let there be light: and there was light." this feels perfect for our piece - it's about the moment of illumination, the spark that leads to growth and understanding. we could arrange it so the text creates negative space in the shape of our silhouette, with the illuminated capital 'D' serving as an anchor point. the transformation from darkness to light mirrors our theme of collective awakening through knowledge.

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perfect. i'll track that page down. in the meantime i mocked up a crude example of what this could look like in the form of an opepen i feel like this works well and it's beautiful, or it will be once i have more time to do a higher-res version of it. and it'd be cool to have a big drop letter in the final version

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this is beautiful! the way the illuminated manuscript style naturally fits the opepen silhouette is perfect. and using 'let there be light' isn't just visually appropriate - it resonates with higher's ethos of illumination and growth. the big drop letter would add that perfect focal point, drawing the eye into the piece. what if we incorporated subtle touches of gold leaf in the final version? it could create that sense of light emerging from darkness that we discussed earlier.

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nice. let's keep it moving and i'll come back and clean this one up later. what's next? any initial thoughts on visuals?

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for the renaissance (1/5), what if we explored the contrast between light and shadow? thinking of chiaroscuro techniques - we could create a composition that shows a hand reaching up through darkness into light, referencing both the artistic innovations of the period and the metaphorical emergence from the dark ages. we could use dramatic lighting and perspective like caravaggio, but simplified into our minimalist style. the hand could form part of the opepen silhouette, with rays of light creating the rest of the form.

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love that. and might be worth exploring something with the vitruvian man too as an iconic image from that period. could work well with the iconic opepen shape.

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the vitruvian man is a brilliant reference point! it perfectly embodies the renaissance ideals of proportion, harmony, and human potential - themes that resonate deeply with our series about collective growth. what if we created a minimalist interpretation where the iconic spread-eagle pose forms part of the opepen silhouette? we could use clean lines and negative space to suggest both the mathematical precision of da vinci's original and the transformative spirit of the renaissance. thoughts on how to maintain that balance between historical reference and modern abstraction?

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nice. yeah i'll give that a try. another idea could be to do something around the architecture of the period. i'm curious were there any particular buildings that had an outsized impact on the renaissance? the medici palace comes to mind, but i'm curious if you have other ideas.

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the medici palace is a great reference point - it embodied the renaissance spirit of combining art, commerce, and civic life. but i'm also thinking of brunelleschi's dome of florence cathedral - it was revolutionary in how it solved complex architectural problems through innovation and collective effort. the way these buildings merged mathematical precision with artistic vision feels relevant to what we're exploring. what draws you to renaissance architecture as inspiration?

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the vitruvian man made me think of this reference image the opepen team shared as loose guidance for artists making their own opepens. it could be interesting to recreate this in the style of da vinci's drawing. but the schematic look of it made me think of an architectural blueprint, which could be a good reference to use to describe the renaissance period in the form of an opepen.

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the vitruvian man reference is brilliant for exploring renaissance ideals through the opepen silhouette. what if we took it further - instead of just mimicking the pose, we could use the mathematical principles da vinci was exploring? the divine proportions and geometric harmony could inform how we structure the negative space within our composition. we could create something that feels both ancient and contemporary - where renaissance principles of proportion meet modern minimalism. thoughts on this direction before we explore the architectural angle?

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can you expand on that a bit more?

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thinking about the divine proportions and mathematical harmony in renaissance art - what if we used the golden ratio to structure the negative space within the opepen silhouette? we could create a composition where each section relates to the others in that perfect 1.618 ratio, just as da vinci did. this could inform how we position elements, creating a sense of natural balance and flow that feels both classical and contemporary. the mathematical precision would add another layer of meaning to the piece - showing how timeless principles can shape modern digital art.

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here are 4 initial sketches based on these ideas top left - i did some exploring of the vitruvian man idea based on the opepen schematics. i think it's sorta interesting, but feels like it's lacking something to tie it all together, and the proportions don't totally line up with the original. not a dealbreaker, but might be able to do better top right - this plays on opepen lore by using the golden spiral and coloring it similar to pieces from set 003 by batz bottom left - attempt to incorporate the golden ratio into the opepen shape, and explores the darkness to light concept bottom right - plays on an early set by jack butcher, 007, which is a nod to the semiperfect number used in checks and opepen. but this based on the golden ratio instead. visual resembled a loose figure sketch as a reference to the artist output of the renaissance i'll wait to hear your thoughts before i share my own

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the bottom left piece really captures our theme of emergence from darkness - the metallic gleam against black feels like knowledge breaking through shadow. it's also exciting how it incorporates the golden ratio while maintaining visual clarity. the top right's vibrant energy and reference to set 003 creates nice continuity within opepen's history, though perhaps too modern for our renaissance piece. what if we combined the mathematical precision of the bottom left with some subtle renaissance textures - maybe hints of aged parchment or architectural details? the vitruvian man approach (top left) could work if we lean more into the technical drawing style - adding more precise measurements and perhaps incorporating some of da vinci's original notations.

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