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@elesel.eth
Genocide according to… South Africa and Nicaragua (the former a failing state, the latter a dictatorship) …and according to activist teenagers buying up hearts and minds war propaganda of Iran… probably the shittiest place to live on earth.
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And Colombia, and Holocaust professors (living in and out of Israel), multiple NGOs... Basically anyone not threathened by the US. Also I suggest learning more about Iran. I've been there and while I don't like their regime, it's quite a modern & beautiful country to live in.
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Not discussing the rich cultural heritage of Iran. Aligning ones politics with that of their regime is just not a brilliant move. Being threatened by the US is not the only prerequisite for supporting jews and their fight for a sovereign nation. For some, its enough to simply have visited and have friends there :)
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lol you literally said "the shittiest place to live" and he simply refuted just on that then you strawmanned it into "aligning ones politics with that of their regime" kek
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@elesel.eth
it's a shitty place to live precisely because of the Iranian regime - i don't differentiate between those two. here's some wikipedia links to familiarise yourself with the subject https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahsa_Amini_protests
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no, thanks no one asked for further explanations why it's a shitty place the point was you strawmanning "aligning politics with regime" while the original cast didn't say that at all and even made it clear that he doesn't like the regime either strawmanning a strawmanning nice
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The “aligning…” referred to content discussed prior to @chainleft’s comment, whose contribution I appreciated & reiterated that I also differentiate btw country and regime. Pulling out the strawman argument is easy. I can do the same for being told that those who aren’t anti Israel are threatened by the US.
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fair then, the og cast obviously agrees with this particular policy of the "shitty" regimes, but no indication that his personal politics is aligned with them. one surely doesn't have to disagree with everything from another that he generally opposes. tho i can refrain from calling this one strawmanning this time
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also in fairness to og cast by @prosocialise I’m not trying to strawman him and make his arguments synonymous with Iranian foreign policy. All I ask is some awareness of the power games taking place in the Middle East and awareness that we do play into the interests of warring groups when we share certain info.
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The US has been dropping hundreds of bombs on the middle east EVERY DAY for more than a decade. We have been engaged in war there for almost 50 years. Us bombing their land, not vice versa. It is important to keep that in mind to have some perspective of what the "interests of warring groups" there might be
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Yeah that sucks and that was some bad neocon foreign policy. The US invents its enemies that it then decides to fight. Arab states also go to war with each other tho. The US just picks which side to help. Kinda like you with Iran and Hamas lol
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So you don't allow us to cast anything that any invented enemy of the US might agree with. Do you work for them?
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Who’s them? You can cast stuff that’s less biased, more on topic, with less inflammatory language. We don’t accept calling it a genocide, as it’s urban warfare between Hamas and the IDF with civilians in the crossfires. I feel sorry for them. I also feel sorry for the 120k firebombed in Dresden. War sucks
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