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"Some primates have the ability to mimic us using basic tools, but do they actually understand any of it?"

Have you seen how crazy sophisticated the "shared human/bonobo shared culture" gets.  Examples of the concepts of "sorry" (apology) over events from a years earlier (memory) occurring.  And in the case of the bonobos voice boxes, which do not have a human voice box, in the lab (long range shared living experiments) the bonobo's learned to "grunt" sub lingual but recognisable when the researches started playing close attention, that they were vocalising the shared english words they have been communicating between species with on "chalk boards" (aka computer tap boards) - so eventually they dropped the chalk boards and were just speaking english at the level they were able to get to.

Crazy!

ref (timestamp): https://youtu.be/pCgYKznqDac?si=qUbUOjBevhAc0EHq&t=2619

Animal cognition (while way out of my wheelhouse) is totally fascinating to me.

Without words, a common language, the overlap could be so wildly over'd or under'd in what's actually going on, eh?

I love the frame of reference that says, us (humans), while human, are also mostly not "even even human too". There's so much overlap we share with the animals at the mammalian, then reptilian shared machinery in our nervous systems - and that's way more than the part that's "human".   Modulo the <Talkey Talkey> / <Thinky Thinky> late stage bits!

"Do they get any sense of what’s going on - the cause and effect of using a tool, the fact that they’re hurtling across the sky, etc."

Obviously I dunno, but my guess would be that almost the entire "human/systems" level aspects of it are over the cat's head (miss the point) but would thrive.

As Kay framed it in a related idea, the cat would "find it simple and understandable, but would miss the point"*

*ref:https://youtu.be/Eg_ToU7m1MI?si=0uq6CZbM2-pYymbW&t=39

I’ve always wondered what goes through the mind of animals when they see humans use tools or they get to experience something so otherworldly as riding on a plane.

Do they get any sense of what’s going on - the cause and effect of using a tool, the fact that they’re hurtling across the sky, etc.

Some primates have the ability to mimic us using basic tools, but do they actually understand any of it?