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Lefties who are tired of election “panic”: what’s the alternative? When was the panic not warranted? I’m serious in my asking.
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Watch lefties just not vote at all bc Kamala was a prosecutor in her early years 🫠
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I'll be campaigning to get as many leftists as possible voting for Jill Stein. I definitely would not support Kamala but more because the Dems are die-hard imperialist warmongers and not just because she was a prosecutor (though that is also bad).
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One victory at a time friend. I do understand some of your core frustrations but… What you are describing is literally organizing defeat.
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Right?! I lived through the Ralph Nader bs and personally I’m not interested in burning it all down to satisfy some pie in the sky ideals that doesn’t take the reality of current world politics into account. Voting for Jill Stein doesn’t stop genocides. It only makes things worse for large swaths of us in the US. If we had ranked voting for US federal elections then it would be a different story but in this current system I’m looooong done pretending both parties are the same w regards to our day to day lives and liberty. They’re not. My trans friends are safer under literally any dem president than literally any republican president. My uterus is safer under literally any dem president than literally any republican president. And the list goes on. It’s funny but most folks I know who are voting for Jill Stein are typically far less concerned w (and typically have far less skin in the game w regards to) what we will 100% lose under republicans vs dems.
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Hope you don't mind me responding here, not trying to be rude just laying out my position. "Voting for the Green Party causes everything to burn down / voting Green makes everything worse for many people" Don't you mean voting for Trump? A vote for the Green Party is not a vote for Trump. This is factually false and undemocratic. "Voting for Jill Stein doesn't stop genocides" Except if enough people did vote for her, it would stop the genocide. Even if she didn't win, if the antiwar movement got enough popular support they'd be forced to stop the wars. "Had enough Nader bs" Ralph Nader made the country a better place with his activism. Anyway if you blame the 2000 election on Nader it's just not correct, he didn't take enough votes from Dems to flip anything, more Dems voted for Bush in Florida than for Nader, why not blame them? Or the undemocratic courts? "Stein voters don't have skin in the game / don't care" This is the opposite of everything I've seen and experienced in 20 years of political involvement.
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When you look at who’s staffing and who’s funding the third party candidates it’s hard to see them as anything but a planned spoiler. Typically it’s obvious which party’s votes they are there to siphon. RFK is the rare exception where it’s not going according to plan.
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Thr Green Party in the US has been built over several decades by thousands of activist volunteers, hundreds of candidates and no dark money PAC or billionaire donors. What staff or funder are you referring to? In my view the Democrats exist to siphon votes from the left to prevent a leftist party from becoming a major in the US and challenging the continued operations of the war machine. Dems have been playing spoiler for decades, stealing from us our chance at a real choice on what our county is doing and killing several million people in the process.
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I do think what you said correctly applies to the Libertarians though.
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To clarify: I see most as legitimate candidates that are artificially boosted by bad actors. It’s nearly impossible to judge actual support because of this. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna951166
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I agree that the two party system is working as it was intended to keep the status quo in politics. Which is also why I will never vote third party. Give me ranked voting and I’ll gladly vote third party. Beyond that I don’t think a third party stands a chance in hell & generally only serves those I hate (& fear) much more than I hate the dems
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