True. But also for the worst of us. :)

It's accepted that other species can suffer from overpopulation. We are far more adaptable, but I assume there would be optimal population levels based on technological/political levels. Pandemics, food and energy production, etc. have costs that may outstrip population benefits?

A world with 10x less population growth would be a world in which there's an 81% chance neither of us would have ever existed.

@erik wrote a thoughtful piece about the case for population growth 


also this chart 😬

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Thanks, it's a great piece. Population growth has historically been a good thing. However, imagine a constant population going forward; would there remain optimal avenues for prosperity, productivity, etc.? Obviously, in the limit, population growth cannot always be good (probably before we are shoulder-to-shoulder).

@erik wrote a thoughtful piece about the case for population growth 


also this chart 😬

https://eriktorenberg.substack.com/p/more-people-is-better

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That seems the argument, but couldn’t improved standards for a smaller population also drive economic growth?

Also, there is a physical limit to human bodies on this sphere, and it’d probably be undesirable well before it.

seems related to continued economic growth?

That is a nice picture, but by all accounts, wouldn’t we already expect to see this if that were the path before us? Not to say that we will burn out, but I think extrapolating from our flashpoint existence will most likely be erroneous.

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Probably, to a point. It is also necessary that there be avenues to exercise the brilliance; if bigger numbers eventually reduce the likelihood to exercise it, then there will be a sweet spot.

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I didn't buy a ticket for the bus I am on, but I do wonder about where it is going.

It seems the general assumption is that population growth is beneficial and desirable for a country.

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But due to gravity, population growth off-planet will quickly overtake any influence of birth rates on Earth.

for the advancement and spread of mankind throughout the cosmos yea, and so the old folks are taken care of

I don’t think we need growth but we need to sustain.

Adults need to be able to create enough value for themselves, children, and elderly.

So there’s a number (that changes w variables like child birth death rate and life expectancy) that you want to be greater than.

Its the “above a threshold” that matters

Well I look at every part of the world  going thru population decline and I’m absolutely sure I don’t want that.

The circle of life has to close!

This is a pretty great resource to easily visualize macro-trends on population growth curves and demographic breakdowns across nations and regions:

This is a pretty great resource to easily visualize macro-trends on population growth curves and demographic breakdowns across nations and regions: 

https://www.populationpyramid.net/world/2023/

Our cities are unsustainable without population growth

Depends where you live atm

If South Korea or Japan the answer is a yes definitely and as soon as they can get it 

Demographic pyramids around the world starting to looking very top heavy

What kind of world do you want to live in? I’m inferring you want a world with less people, could be nice. Is the fundamental issue that you don’t want a fucked up planet? In which case population reduction alone will not solve.

If you like science, art, culture and all sorts of non-rivalrous benefits, then def. These become economical with a large population, otherwise not.