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Been thinking of how Facebook & other user generated content Web 2.0 era platforms as walled gardens, were much like Feudalism in the city states era. Essentially in exchange for identity and well being in a walled garden, a safe have to trade, to identify and express you were allowed to do whatever you want to do as long as you paid your dues and stayed within the walled garden If anything, this Feudalism is still ongoing. A bunch of people are generally upset by it but a lot of folks generally are unaware, accept it as it is, and those that aren't fans are either allowed to live outside the city walls (but find their own ways) or actively want another system besides Feudalism (a few pockets of these people, sort of hoping for various levels of rebellion against the system) Makes me think about how one of the central tenets of why the French Revolution took place was, you guessed it - taking down Feudalism. The August decrees specifically requested to abolish the feudal system, which is fascinating
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I honestly feel like there’s a lot more to uncover here, parallels etc and write about but it’s Friday night and I don’t really want to Maybe later
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And what do the July decrees request?
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Agree to the parallels, and it’s interesting how what keeps the walled gardens going is users’ attention. We are free to build and express outside. But all the eyes are on the inside. The revolution is when folks realize they can direct their attention wherever they choose.
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read your cast first, then saw farcaster moving to use twitter as a social signal - being part of the feudalism backslide in real-time ain't fun 😓 https://paragraph.xyz/@bashobits/thanks-twitter
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This is an interesting frame/parallel, reminded me of the dark forest metaphor that some use. https://maggieappleton.com/cozy-web https://maggieappleton.com/ai-dark-forest
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Zuboff has thought and written lots about this https://www.hks.harvard.edu/centers/mrcbg/programs/growthpolicy/digital-feudalism-future-data-capitalism-shoshana-zuboff
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Yanis Varoufakis wrote a book on this, but from an economic perspective: Technofeudalism. He argues that Apple, Facebook, and Amazon have changed the economy so much that it now resembles Europe’s medieval feudal system. They are the lords, while everyone else is a peasant, working their land for little in return.
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I like the parallelism with the feudal system, but I think you left out the most important part: People did not own the land, it was owned by the local lord. And here we are, on the streets, shouting "Read. Write. Own!"
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can also put countries very much in this framework. walled gardens everywhere we go, online and offline.
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Yeah, well... The Dude abides
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This is exactly Yanks Varoufakis thesis. He calls it Technofeudalism and we're all just serfs.
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and if you build on those platforms you are at best a sharecropper.
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Social Feudia
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